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https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/

https://www.mixcloud.com/zev-brenner/talkline-with-zev-brenner-on-credit-card-scams-affecting-the-orthodox-jewish-community/

http://podcast.headlinesbook.com/e/31616-credit-card-miles-and-points-swiping-for-rewards-buying-and-selling-miles-is-it-assur-and-a-chillul-hashem-or-a-great-way-for-a-side-parnassah/



BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4220 on: March 22, 2021, 12:04:04 AM »
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4221 on: March 22, 2021, 12:11:37 AM »
Why are there several senior members of this forum deciding to pick a fight with me?

All I did was post a simple request for people to help me out with some information and I get attacked?!

Isn't this group about helping others?

If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything!

It should not matter that I have not been on this group for that long a time. No one deserves to be bullied and attacked if they didn't do anything wrong.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4222 on: March 22, 2021, 12:16:32 AM »
Why are there several senior members of this forum deciding to pick a fight with me?

All I did was post a simple request for people to help me out with some information and I get attacked?!

Isn't this group about helping others?

If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything!

It should not matter that I have not been on this group for that long a time. No one deserves to be bullied and attacked if they didn't do anything wrong.

Don’t be too offended, they aren’t senior and you’re right they’re being petty. Your post was valuable, and very much appreciated. Nothing egregious enough on their part for me to moderate, though they could be gentler and more welcoming.

Heads up, this particular section is called Just Shmooze and things are a bit more relaxed (albeit confrontational at times) around here.

One last note I think someone was trying to make is that one should be extra careful when doing business with buying groups (or any other party) one isn’t well acquainted with, especially if it involves fronting money.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4223 on: March 22, 2021, 12:17:15 AM »
I don't think anyone was trying to bully or pick a fight, they were just trying to give some (hopefully) helpful advice.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4224 on: March 22, 2021, 12:36:34 AM »
As they say: "welcome to DDF". If your not made with DDF material, it will grow on you ;D
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4225 on: March 22, 2021, 01:12:10 AM »


Why are there several senior members of this forum deciding to pick a fight with me?

All I did was post a simple request for people to help me out with some information and I get attacked?!

Isn't this group about helping others?

If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything!

It should not matter that I have not been on this group for that long a time. No one deserves to be bullied and attacked if they didn't do anything wrong.

1. As said, they aren't mamesh senior, and I don't think they were trying to pick a fight, and as said, they are really looking out for your good, since way to many people lose too much money in this industry.

The simple request had insinuations they may have boded not well for you, and they wanted to make you aware of that.

This group is definitely about helping others, sometimes it may require looking a little bit past the surface and the way things come across at first glance.

People may have sharper ways ways of saying things, but usually don't have not nice things to say.

In regards to being treated like a mensch, it definitely doesn't matret that you weren't on here for a while, and no one deserves to be bullied and attacked.

People that have been here for longer and invested into giving in addition to taking may be a bit ticked off when someone who hasn't made that same investment to the same extent gives off a vibe of entitlement.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4226 on: March 22, 2021, 01:48:14 AM »
Hi Everyone, I recently got more involved in BG's and wanted to tap into the group members for BG's that I am not aware of.

The following are what I have found so far. Please let me know if you are aware of any others:

Pointsmaker
MYS
USA Buying Group
YRCW
Buy For Me Retail
EMB
CloseoutNJ
Pinnacle

There is also https://torontobuyinggroup.ca/, but that seems to be only for Toronto area people.
Buyers for points is another one.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4227 on: March 22, 2021, 03:32:55 PM »
Nothing egregious enough on their part for me to moderate,
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4228 on: March 22, 2021, 07:37:47 PM »
Why are there several senior members of this forum deciding to pick a fight with me?

All I did was post a simple request for people to help me out with some information and I get attacked?!

Isn't this group about helping others?

If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything!

It should not matter that I have not been on this group for that long a time. No one deserves to be bullied and attacked if they didn't do anything wrong.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4229 on: March 22, 2021, 09:06:11 PM »
im flattered to be spoken of being a senior member.
I apologize if i came off as bullyish it wasnt my intention. as mentioned this board is more relaxed and ppl poke fun at each other in good nature. by the fact that we're doing it to you proves youre a worthy member of the group so welcome  :)
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4230 on: March 25, 2021, 01:20:02 PM »
Just received this email!!

"Dear MYS Buying Group,

As of today, 3/25/2021, Mark Mann is no longer employed at MYS Buying Group.

We appreciate the work Mark has done for our company, and we wish him the best in his future endeavors.

Any projects that Mark was involved with will now be handled by Yaisef T. Any and all communications can be sent via email, support@mysbuyinggroup.com, or by opening a support ticket.

Please note, MYS has always been a subsidiary of SGM Socher, Inc., and has always been governed entirely by its CEO, Yosef Greenwald.

Mr. Greenwald and SGM Socher always has, and will continue to assume full responsibility for all MYS activity, and you can feel confident that all operations will continue as usual.

We take great pleasure in welcoming Mr. Yaisef T who will continue with all MYS related responsibilities.

Please add his contact to your Whatsapp to be sure you don't miss out on any MYS deal broadcasts or announcements.

+1 (562) 248-8263

Wishing you and yours a Happy Passover.

MYS Buying Group."

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4231 on: March 25, 2021, 01:48:51 PM »
Just received this email!!

"Dear MYS Buying Group,

As of today, 3/25/2021, Mark Mann is no longer employed at MYS Buying Group.

We appreciate the work Mark has done for our company, and we wish him the best in his future endeavors.

Any projects that Mark was involved with will now be handled by Yaisef T. Any and all communications can be sent via email, support@mysbuyinggroup.com, or by opening a support ticket.

Please note, MYS has always been a subsidiary of SGM Socher, Inc., and has always been governed entirely by its CEO, Yosef Greenwald.

Mr. Greenwald and SGM Socher always has, and will continue to assume full responsibility for all MYS activity, and you can feel confident that all operations will continue as usual.

We take great pleasure in welcoming Mr. Yaisef T who will continue with all MYS related responsibilities.

Please add his contact to your Whatsapp to be sure you don't miss out on any MYS deal broadcasts or announcements.

+1 (562) 248-8263

Wishing you and yours a Happy Passover.

MYS Buying Group."

same here.

what happened here, and does this mean for us?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4232 on: March 25, 2021, 02:34:05 PM »
Yaisef?
That's a first.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4233 on: March 25, 2021, 04:07:22 PM »
Yaisef?
That's a first.
It's like Yo ssi
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4234 on: March 25, 2021, 04:20:59 PM »
Yaisef?
That's a first.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4235 on: March 25, 2021, 04:28:40 PM »
It's like Yo ssi
What's the matter eh?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4236 on: March 25, 2021, 04:31:04 PM »
Hi Everyone, I recently got more involved in BG's and wanted to tap into the group members for BG's that I am not aware of.

The following are what I have found so far. Please let me know if you are aware of any others:

Pointsmaker
MYS
USA Buying Group
YRCW
Buy For Me Retail
EMB
CloseoutNJ
Pinnacle

There is also https://torontobuyinggroup.ca/, but that seems to be only for Toronto area people.
You did read the title of this thread, correct?!
You read this thread, correct? ;) This is the unofficial bg thread...
IMO:
BG carries a certain level of risk, and should only be pursued by those with sufficient familiarity to be able to make informed risk decision.
i.e. not a topic for spoonfeeding...

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4237 on: March 25, 2021, 05:12:20 PM »

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4238 on: March 25, 2021, 08:00:08 PM »
same here.

what happened here, and does this mean for us?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4239 on: March 25, 2021, 09:50:37 PM »
You are aware he is on DDF
And what? Did I touch his nerves?