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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4300 on: September 03, 2021, 11:14:56 AM »
TheDealBuyer (I’m including commission, cashback portal and points in my calculation).
...as you should.
Insane deal S209 if it works for you, and not to quibble too much, but I personally don't count portals in my calculations (or at least, apply some kind of % factor)

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« Reply #4301 on: September 03, 2021, 11:18:27 AM »
Insane deal S209 if it works for you, and not to quibble too much, but I personally don't count portals in my calculations (or at least, apply some kind of % factor)
Why is that? Because of the chance it may not track?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4302 on: September 03, 2021, 11:20:00 AM »
Rakuten IME is the most lenient about claw backs
+1

I've earned and kept cashback for an order cancelled by Canon.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4303 on: September 03, 2021, 11:29:31 AM »
They were (are) paying $485 for an item that costs $440 plus tax and shipping.

2 orders have received cancellation emails so far.
before points and rakuten its only round 5 profit per camera...

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« Reply #4304 on: September 03, 2021, 11:33:59 AM »
before points and rakuten its only round 5 profit per camera...
I don’t know where you are getting your numbers from but for me it’s around $15 per camera ($9,410 per order of 20 reimbursed at $9,700).
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4305 on: September 03, 2021, 12:25:13 PM »
I don’t know where you are getting your numbers from but for me it’s around $15 per camera ($9,410 per order of 20 reimbursed at $9,700).
How do you get canon to let you order more than 10 per order?

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« Reply #4306 on: September 03, 2021, 01:18:17 PM »
How do you get canon to let you order more than 10 per order?
I asked nicely.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4307 on: September 05, 2021, 12:54:58 AM »
+1

I've earned and kept cashback for an order cancelled by Canon.
So have I, but then I have had Canon pull all my points earned even on legit orders that shipped. It was several months after earning them.

ETA: This was Rakuten, if that wasn’t clear.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4308 on: September 09, 2021, 11:57:35 AM »
110,000 MR points have already been added to my Rakuten account.

how is your experience with MR as apposed to Rakuten Cash Back?

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« Reply #4309 on: September 09, 2021, 01:23:29 PM »
how is your experience with MR as apposed to Rakuten Cash Back?
MR is generally considered higher value then CB.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4311 on: September 13, 2021, 01:28:21 PM »
im trying to order the 440/485 canon deal directly to my house in nj and it dosent even let me check out....any tips to help w this one? its in stock, im only ordering 5 (not the max) and it just keeps giving me error....are other people having issues with this one?

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« Reply #4312 on: September 13, 2021, 01:51:12 PM »
im trying to order the 440/485 canon deal directly to my house in nj and it dosent even let me check out....any tips to help w this one? its in stock, im only ordering 5 (not the max) and it just keeps giving me error....are other people having issues with this one?
I just ordered 10

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4313 on: September 19, 2021, 09:58:33 PM »
From b&h
Dear ....
Please be advised that we have tried to verify your order by calling the phone number(s) listed below and either there was no answer, or it was busy, or it was a fax line. Please contact us and let us know when we can call you again at that number or provide us with another number.

Thank you for your cooperation.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4314 on: September 19, 2021, 10:14:41 PM »
Anyone else hitting this Canon deal hard? What are the chances they're all going to get cancelled? I'm at 250 cameras and counting (117.5K spend).
How'd this work out?

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« Reply #4315 on: September 19, 2021, 10:20:32 PM »
How'd this work out?

mine all canceled  :(

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4317 on: September 20, 2021, 04:20:41 PM »
Looks like EMB has no plans get out of their address being flagged as a "Freight Forwarder". Buyers beware.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4318 on: September 20, 2021, 04:53:56 PM »
Looks like EMB has no plans get out of their address being flagged as a "Freight Forwarder". Buyers beware.
Most buying groups addresses show up as freight forwarders.

What’s the issue with that?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4319 on: September 21, 2021, 07:43:52 AM »
Most buying groups addresses show up as freight forwarders.

What’s the issue with that?

cannot fight Amazon for lost packages and there have been *too* many lately. Amazon just sends you a a link  to read about FF crap.
Someone is even fighting them for the package that was to delivered in 1st place and getting responses w/ FF crap