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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4400 on: December 27, 2021, 09:00:55 PM »
Interesting discussion, I was actually thinking about making a similar software.
I would charge with tiers on a monthly / yearly plan. The problem with his current pricing is with smaller buying groups, it's a cost they can't afford.
Do you plan on doing it?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4401 on: December 27, 2021, 09:13:55 PM »
Do you plan on doing it?
When a man plans..
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4402 on: December 27, 2021, 09:26:24 PM »
When a man plans..
Maybe this project would interest you more. (This was something I was trachting of doing once I'm skilled enough ;) )

There's a device called a wikireader. They don't make it anymore or have official updates (you can find some on Reddit) I have it and think it's awesome. I think it would be more awesome to have it on a e-reader of some sort.

The wikireader is an open source project https://github.com/wikireader/wikireader

I want to get it to work on an ereader.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4403 on: December 27, 2021, 10:07:33 PM »
(This was something I was trachting of doing once I'm skilled enough ;) )
The skill comes from taking the plunge. (My moto ;))

As for the project, wikis I leave for the smart people (@YitzyS).
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4404 on: December 29, 2021, 12:02:22 PM »
In general cloud software lags because multi channel integration at least used to be difficult.

Multi channel sales platforms used to drive me nuts, back before FBA, if you had 10 widgets and multiple channels, it was a pita to be on top of stock allocation per channel etc

But yes I had those ideas 15 years ago and wasted tens of thousands on dev for stupid stuff lol

My dream was to track cost of goods, qty in, allocation per sales channel, auto adjust per sales, aggregated sales reports on volume and profits

But I'm old school. Xcart, Magento, eBay . Those were my markets

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4405 on: January 03, 2022, 07:57:01 PM »
Dont use chase,they will shut your checking account and all associated cc's.(some cc's may slip through the cracks and get spared) not worth the risk
Any actual DPs of being shut down for merely depositing checks from Pointsmaker or any other BG? This sounds extreme - even for chase.

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« Reply #4406 on: January 03, 2022, 10:23:48 PM »
Any actual DPs of being shut down for merely depositing checks from Pointsmaker or any other BG? This sounds extreme - even for chase.
yes,me and many others(my dp is with other bg's ,not points maker)
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4407 on: January 03, 2022, 11:12:13 PM »
This guy has 2 options. Either percentage of profits or an amount for every dollar that's scanned through the system.
It usually equals out to the same
I have a suggestion for the programmer behind the platform used by most BG’s.

Make something for the buyers for easy consolidation, since they have access to all the transactions, we the buyers upload the excel file downloaded from amazon. And they should link them to each BG using the shipping address as reference, and check for missing orders and price discrepancies, I would pay a small monthly or per transaction fee to have it automated, 1 or 2 orders missing and you waste hours looking for it and you lose money .

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4408 on: January 03, 2022, 11:30:55 PM »
I have a suggestion for the programmer behind the platform used by most BG’s.

Make something for the buyers for easy consolidation, since they have access to all the transactions, we the buyers upload the excel file downloaded from amazon. And they should link them to each BG using the shipping address as reference, and check for missing orders and price discrepancies, I would pay a small monthly or per transaction fee to have it automated, 1 or 2 orders missing and you waste hours looking for it and you lose money .

If BGs are making money on unclaimed orders, they’re going to balk that the platform is making money from their buyers and losing them money in the process.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4409 on: January 03, 2022, 11:32:17 PM »
If BGs are making money on unclaimed orders, they’re going to balk that the platform is making money from their buyers and losing them money in the process.
Hopefully BGs are honest and don’t want to make money jipping there users

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4410 on: January 03, 2022, 11:35:39 PM »
1 or 2 orders missing and you waste hours looking for it and you lose money .
Can you expound on the issue here? What you're looking for?

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PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4411 on: January 04, 2022, 12:24:20 AM »
Can you expound on the issue here? What you're looking for?
Easy Reconciliation

I place orders on the go. Meaning not a a computer. So I don’t have the means of entering this info on a excel sheet when I place the order.

When I get a email with shipping notification, I follow that link and I copy the tracking number and enter it into the receiving BG’s portal order management, so I know if my orders were all checked in. Currently I have 5 tracking numbers in the order management which are over a month old and not checked in. but I don’t know which items they were.
Amazon does not show tracking number on the website on orders over a month. I have to wait till amazon fixes the ordering reports to find that information.

Another issue I have now. A BG sent me a email that they received a item which they are not buying. All they gave me was a tracking number , they don’t know from whom it’s from. Amazon, walmart, Home Depot or any other vendors, I have to wait till the warehouse calms down from the holiday rush so they can tell me which item it was and it maybe to late for me to return it.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4412 on: January 04, 2022, 12:37:37 AM »
Easy Reconciliation
Still not clear the exact problem you're having. I use a spreadsheet and never had any issues; I can tell you my process and maybe that will help.
- I have a spreadsheet for BGs - each BG gets its own tab.
- When I place an order I enter the order into a new row in the corresponding spreadsheet tab - including how much I paid
- When it ships I enter the tracking info into their system - including a description of the order
- When it's delivered I mark it on my spreadsheet with the date
- When they scan it, I enter the amount scanned on my spreadsheet
- (Extra credit: I have a couple calculated fields in the spreadsheet to keep track of how much they owe me)

Pretty simple system; and I've never had to spend hours finding anything. Just make sure you enter everything into your spreadsheet as it happens.


ETA: This was written before your edit. You can still enter everything into a spreadsheet the next time you sit in front of the computer - just go through your emails (label the emails for easy filtering). And/or you can use Google Sheets which has a mobile app.

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« Reply #4413 on: January 04, 2022, 12:44:32 AM »
Easy Reconciliation

I place orders on the go. Meaning not a a computer. So I don’t have the means of entering this info on a excel sheet when I place the order.

When I get a email with shipping notification, I follow that link and I copy the tracking number and enter it into the receiving BG’s portal order management, so I know if my orders were all checked in. Currently I have 5 tracking numbers in the order management which are over a month old and not checked in. but I don’t know which items they were.
Amazon does not show tracking number on the website on orders over a month. I have to wait till amazon fixes the ordering reports to find that information.

Another issue I have now. A BG sent me a email that they received a item which they are not buying. All they gave me was a tracking number , they don’t know from whom it’s from. Amazon, walmart, Home Depot or any other vendors, I have to wait till the warehouse calms down from the holiday rush so they can tell me which item it was and it maybe to late for me to return it.
This chrome extension is actually looking to add some of the features you need. https://github.com/philipmulcahy/azad/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Acommercial_user_feature

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« Reply #4414 on: January 04, 2022, 12:59:20 AM »
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You know what's interesting. You didn't strike me as buying groups type of person.
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« Reply #4415 on: January 04, 2022, 07:23:32 AM »
You know what's interesting. You didn't strike me as buying groups type of person.
Is it the long white beard? :D

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« Reply #4416 on: January 04, 2022, 08:26:01 AM »
yes,me and many others(my dp is with other bg's ,not points maker)
Thanks. Would it be better if it was deposited into a business account?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4417 on: January 04, 2022, 08:47:36 AM »
Why not just use a different bank

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4418 on: January 04, 2022, 08:53:42 AM »
Why not just use a different bank
Because I am all set up at Chase. And I want to keep things simple.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4419 on: January 04, 2022, 08:54:56 AM »
Does Amex mind checks made out to them from BGs?