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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4460 on: January 05, 2022, 07:45:22 PM »
Sneaky >:(

Maybe I’m just paranoid :P
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4461 on: January 05, 2022, 08:52:22 PM »
I tried this and haven't gotten a code from them. Would anyone else like to try it and report back what happens? It actually looks like a very good deal. Needs $5000 in account to avoid monthly fee. No direct deposit required.
https://www.santanderbank.com/pages/business/ntb-500
What Biz documentation is needed for this? 
I don't have an actual legit Biz for m my disposable account
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4462 on: January 05, 2022, 08:59:18 PM »
What Biz documentation is needed for this? 
I don't have an actual legit Biz for m my disposable account
IDK but based on other banks, I would assume state document of incorporation.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4463 on: January 05, 2022, 09:04:20 PM »
IDK but based on other banks, I would assume state document of incorporation.
Santander doesn't require that for a Sole Prop. If the teller gives you trouble, push back.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4464 on: January 05, 2022, 09:20:41 PM »
Has anyone tried the Santander link I posted?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4465 on: January 06, 2022, 01:07:07 PM »
not sure if this is the right thread but came across something interesting from ed rosenbergs amazon group

"End of buying groups. “…. We took this measure as you were passing Amazon purchase limits and restrictions by paying Amazon Prime customers to make purchases of quantity-limited items on Amazon.”"

I wonder, how could amazon have figured out where he sourced his inventory from? Does that mean they linked the ship to address and see that other accounts bought for him?

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« Reply #4466 on: January 06, 2022, 01:09:57 PM »
not sure if this is the right thread but came across something interesting from ed rosenbergs amazon group

"End of buying groups. “…. We took this measure as you were passing Amazon purchase limits and restrictions by paying Amazon Prime customers to make purchases of quantity-limited items on Amazon.”"

I wonder, how could amazon have figured out where he sourced his inventory from? Does that mean they linked the ship to address and see that other accounts bought for him?
Yeah - it would be quite easy to link all the shipments together. It's honestly surprising that Amazon has let this go on as long as it has.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4467 on: January 06, 2022, 01:23:17 PM »
Yeah - it would be quite easy to link all the shipments together. It's honestly surprising that Amazon has let this go on as long as it has.

agreed. should be easy to circumvent by having buyers ship to their own home first. although this will stop those without tax free status.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4468 on: January 06, 2022, 01:27:16 PM »
agreed. should be easy to circumvent by having buyers ship to their own home first. although this will stop those without tax free status.
Yeah. We'd have a lot more people signing up for reseller certificates then.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4469 on: January 06, 2022, 01:42:46 PM »
I wonder, how could amazon have figured out where he sourced his inventory from? Does that mean they linked the ship to address and see that other accounts bought for him?
IIRC, they keep track on serial numbers for apple products, and maybe others too.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4470 on: January 06, 2022, 03:58:14 PM »
I wouldn’t listen much to ed rosenberg
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4471 on: January 06, 2022, 04:07:12 PM »
I wouldn’t listen much to ed rosenberg
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4472 on: January 06, 2022, 04:27:29 PM »
Nope but they guy will say anything to sell seats and he knows that a hot topic so he brought it up but facts are if nothing smart or real to say to just sit down
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4473 on: January 06, 2022, 06:04:54 PM »
PSA: USA needs to get their act together. I only ship to DE. They are really bad with delays in scanning & communication and lost packages.
Update. Avoid shipping anything to USA. It's not worth the risk.
Items delivered 35 days ago. No updates. no response on CS for 3 weeks. Not worth dealing with them. They will lose stuff and just ignore you and you won't even know if it's lost. Amazon classifies them as FF so they won't refund you if tracking says delivered.

If anyone has direct contact to owner please PM.
It's only $800 (I don't risk more then I can afford to lose) so even though it did cross my mind, I decided against showing up at his home...
and because I don't live nearby :)

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4474 on: January 06, 2022, 06:12:40 PM »
Update. Avoid shipping anything to USA. It's not worth the risk.
Items delivered 35 days ago. No updates. no response on CS for 3 weeks. Not worth dealing with them. They will lose stuff and just ignore you and you won't even know if it's lost. Amazon classifies them as FF so they won't refund you if tracking says delivered.

If anyone has direct contact to owner please PM.
It's only $800 (I don't risk more then I can afford to lose) so even though it did cross my mind, I decided against showing up at his home...
and because I don't live nearby :)

whats FF?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
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« Reply #4476 on: January 06, 2022, 07:09:16 PM »
Update. Avoid shipping anything to USA. It's not worth the risk.
Items delivered 35 days ago. No updates. no response on CS for 3 weeks. Not worth dealing with them. They will lose stuff and just ignore you and you won't even know if it's lost. Amazon classifies them as FF so they won't refund you if tracking says delivered.

If anyone has direct contact to owner please PM.
It's only $800 (I don't risk more then I can afford to lose) so even though it did cross my mind, I decided against showing up at his home...
and because I don't live nearby :)
Re: FF
Got this from Amazon...

"Since this item was sent to a freight forwarder, I’m not able to replace or refund it unless we receive valid tracking confirmation that the original item was never received by the freight forwarder. Please send a screenshot of the tracking page from the freight forwarder’s official website to freight-forward-lost@amazon.com and indicate if you’d prefer a refund or replacement. You can expect a response within 1-2 business days."

anyone ever contacted freight-forward-lost@amazon.com?
Any reason not to contact them?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4477 on: January 07, 2022, 01:30:32 AM »
Nope but they guy will say anything to sell seats and he knows that a hot topic so he brought it up but facts are if nothing smart or real to say to just sit down

As someone in the business for a while that knows Ed Rosenberg very well, I formally protest your baseless slander.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4478 on: January 07, 2022, 01:49:52 AM »
Nope but they guy will say anything to sell seats and he knows that a hot topic so he brought it up but facts are if nothing smart or real to say to just sit down

This is flat out wrong. If you have an argument to make against something he said, say it. But to make it personal and impugne his character like this is quite gross.

And to do it when you're promoting your own business in a thread with potential customers, that's just not smart.

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