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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4800 on: July 12, 2022, 10:43:52 AM »
For status, new card spend etc it's sometimes worth it
Ye, you may be able to find a person that will do it. But it’s not these companies business models to find one guy that will buy 1 or 2 items at 7% off. So it was either a mistake, the price changed, or there was another way to get the item cheaper.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4801 on: July 12, 2022, 06:10:44 PM »
I've noticed that buyformeretail and EMB deals have been recommended a number of times in this forum. For those that are familiar with these BGs, are the links below the correct ones?

If anyone has any negative experiences with them, please let me know.

It's interesting that both of these groups, use different template then MYS, PM, TDB and Closeoutnj.

https://www.buyformeretail.com/
https://embdeals.com/content/welcome


I did quite a bit of spending with EMB last Black Friday, and had a terrible experience. They are indeed usually pretty fast in getting stuff checked in and issuing payments (though they only do e-checks, not ACH, which is kind of annoying), but they frequently scan things in at the wrong rate, and when they do, it's almost impossible to reach anyone there to get it corrected. I spent literally weeks opening tickets (which they have no system of monitoring afterwards) and sending WhatsApp messages to them - I even tried calling a few times - before finally reaching a guy who refused to correct the most of the erroneous payout amounts. Eventually I just cut my losses and gave up. I would strongly recommend staying far away from them, especially when you have so many other options in this field.

On the positive end, I agree with the others on BFMR being the best of the groups. Easy to use site, ACH payments go out automatically as soon as they scan in the item - it's a mechaye. They do have fewer deals than the others, though, and thus I've still done a lot less spending with them than I have with some other groups. I've also never had an issue or mistake so far, so I can't speak to how easy it is to get those resolved with them.

I've also had very good experience with TDB. Unlike BFMR, they typically have all the same deals that most of the other groups do, and as others have mentioned, they're pretty quick. I can only recall one time that one of my items was scanned in at the wrong rate, and they adjusted it without any issue shortly after I opened a ticket. The only downsides are that their shipping label request system is a little wonky, so you sometimes have to try a few times, and that you need a minimum of $200 per ACH transfer - though I guess that one's pretty understandable.

Pointsmaker is indeed quite slow, but they do often have deals none of the other groups have (particularly laptops and cameras), so I do still buy things for them occasionally.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4802 on: July 12, 2022, 06:30:46 PM »
This is pretty cool!


Tuesday, July 12
10:08 AM
Package delivered to reception.
Stanton, US
9:17 AM
Package is out for delivery.
New Castle, US
8:51 AM
Package being processed at carrier facility.
New Castle, US
8:51 AM
Package arrived at a carrier facility.
New Castle, US
8:49 AM
Delivery appointment scheduled
US
Carrier picked up the package.
New Castle, DE US
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4803 on: July 13, 2022, 12:35:56 PM »
Examples?
Pointsmaker just sent out a deal where they're paying $288 (both colors) for a $309 item (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09G9FPHY6/) - that's 7% if I'm doing the math correctly.


Though one of the colors is $299 so that's 4%

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4804 on: July 13, 2022, 01:57:46 PM »
Pointsmaker just sent out a deal where they're paying $288 (both colors) for a $309 item (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09G9FPHY6/) - that's 7% if I'm doing the math correctly.


Though one of the colors is $299 so that's 4%

That item has been $299 in past 24 hours. Both colors.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4805 on: July 13, 2022, 02:12:43 PM »
That item has been $299 in past 24 hours. Both colors.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4806 on: July 14, 2022, 09:41:14 AM »
I did quite a bit of spending with EMB last Black Friday, and had a terrible experience. They are indeed usually pretty fast in getting stuff checked in and issuing payments (though they only do e-checks, not ACH, which is kind of annoying), but they frequently scan things in at the wrong rate, and when they do, it's almost impossible to reach anyone there to get it corrected. I spent literally weeks opening tickets (which they have no system of monitoring afterwards) and sending WhatsApp messages to them - I even tried calling a few times - before finally reaching a guy who refused to correct the most of the erroneous payout amounts. Eventually I just cut my losses and gave up. I would strongly recommend staying far away from them, especially when you have so many other options in this field.

On the positive end, I agree with the others on BFMR being the best of the groups. Easy to use site, ACH payments go out automatically as soon as they scan in the item - it's a mechaye. They do have fewer deals than the others, though, and thus I've still done a lot less spending with them than I have with some other groups. I've also never had an issue or mistake so far, so I can't speak to how easy it is to get those resolved with them.

I've also had very good experience with TDB. Unlike BFMR, they typically have all the same deals that most of the other groups do, and as others have mentioned, they're pretty quick. I can only recall one time that one of my items was scanned in at the wrong rate, and they adjusted it without any issue shortly after I opened a ticket. The only downsides are that their shipping label request system is a little wonky, so you sometimes have to try a few times, and that you need a minimum of $200 per ACH transfer - though I guess that one's pretty understandable.

Pointsmaker is indeed quite slow, but they do often have deals none of the other groups have (particularly laptops and cameras), so I do still buy things for them occasionally.
sorry this happened to you with EMB. Had I seen this earlier I probably wouldn't have sent them much this prime day.I used them last year and had no major issues BH.
I've done this sporadically over the past 5 years and literally every group has issues with losing things. My issue is when it's misplaced/stolen when items are actually delivered. The companies that seem more mesudar on our end probably also have a better process in their warehouse too. But the truth is we cannot really know since often it's not even their fault since it's bulk delivered to them on pallets, it can say "delivered" but actually be lost/stolen before delivery.
I had terrible experiences with USA group. Things have been much smoother ever since I stopped using them.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4807 on: July 14, 2022, 11:07:23 AM »
TDB was really amazing this prime day same day check in and next day ach payments for a lot of stuff!!

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4808 on: July 15, 2022, 12:16:00 PM »
Anyone else have packages from USA just seriously behind?  I have 6 that arrived July 5 not checked in.  They're operation just isn't efficient enough anymore.  This will be where we part ways.  Given them too many chances and these other groups are just blowing them out of the water.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4809 on: July 17, 2022, 05:31:13 AM »
TDB was really amazing this prime day same day check in and next day ach payments for a lot of stuff!!
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4810 on: July 17, 2022, 12:09:42 PM »
TDB was really amazing this prime day same day check in and next day ach payments for a lot of stuff!!
for me TBD has been fastest in scanning and sending payment
MYS surprisingly has maybe been even faster with scanning in but can't say the same for payments.
PM and EMB have been a little slower
But all much faster then last year
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4811 on: July 20, 2022, 08:33:58 PM »
TDB was really amazing this prime day same day check in and next day ach payments for a lot of stuff!!

you got lucky.

i have not been paid for any of my prime day orders and only 2 has been scanned in.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4812 on: July 20, 2022, 09:45:23 PM »
you got lucky.

i have not been paid for any of my prime day orders and only 2 has been scanned in.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4813 on: July 20, 2022, 10:52:28 PM »
you got lucky.

i have not been paid for any of my prime day orders and only 2 has been scanned in.
I was paid within 24 hours for prime day order.

I have a bunch of orders 'running late' for 5 days already street being handed over to a local carrier, whatever that means.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4814 on: July 22, 2022, 02:25:49 AM »
I was paid within 24 hours for prime day order.

I have a bunch of orders 'running late' for 5 days already street being handed over to a local carrier, whatever that means.
I had that on some of mine too. USPS status never changed but it was delivered and scanned in.
All my TDB stuff were scanned in and $ sent.
MYS also all scanned. and most $ already sent.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4815 on: July 25, 2022, 02:24:41 PM »
I will literally never use USA again, and I've done almost 3/4 of a milion there.  I've never seen such a long check-in time, disorganized, trash buy group in my life.  Just a PSA to anyone considering shipping them anything, I wouldn't anymore.  Too many other streamlined well run groups to use.  Crummy service should go under in my opinion.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4816 on: July 26, 2022, 09:32:11 AM »
I will literally never use USA again, and I've done almost 3/4 of a milion there.  I've never seen such a long check-in time, disorganized, trash buy group in my life.  Just a PSA to anyone considering shipping them anything, I wouldn't anymore.  Too many other streamlined well run groups to use.  Crummy service should go under in my opinion.
you spend $750k and didn’t know this? They’re great with drop offs,but shipping directly is a BIG no no!

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4817 on: July 26, 2022, 12:55:20 PM »
you spend $750k and didn’t know this? They’re great with drop offs,but shipping directly is a BIG no no!

Oh I mean I'm well aware they are slow, and for a while I had a guy directly on whatsapp that would take care of anything I needed... but I never had any really big issues.  This has just been a monster clusterf***.  Now like some of my items showing up with different buyer names on the PO's etc.  I'd advise anyone here not to ever ship them.  Just trash organization.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4818 on: July 27, 2022, 11:56:46 AM »
All the rookies that go head first into BGs, without any research.

WhAt cOuLd gO WrOnG?

you spend $750k and didn’t know this? They’re great with drop offs,but shipping directly is a BIG no no!

I will literally never use USA again, and I've done almost 3/4 of a milion there.  I've never seen such a long check-in time, disorganized, trash buy group in my life.  Just a PSA to anyone considering shipping them anything, I wouldn't anymore.  Too many other streamlined well run groups to use.  Crummy service should go under in my opinion.




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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4819 on: July 27, 2022, 04:31:32 PM »
Hey @myi, have you seen this thread?