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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5100 on: July 25, 2023, 10:31:07 AM »
I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up
I have had similar experience, but never with BFMR's main address "Hudson", amazon has refunded me for lost packages to this address as recently as yesterday, don't ship to their other ones from amazon. However IME many times the packages weren't actually lost they were in the BGs warehouse or were being shipped to their main location, and eventually turned up.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5101 on: July 31, 2023, 04:03:56 PM »
Did anybody try disputing charges for orders that got lost and amazon just said they can't help since it was sent to a ff, and if yes did the dispute get resolved in your favor?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5102 on: July 31, 2023, 04:44:40 PM »
I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

Has Usa Buying Group and Pointsmaker been designed as freight forwarders?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5103 on: August 02, 2023, 09:56:09 PM »
Did anyone recently get an email with the subject line something like "Frum Idea to End Poverty" it was a buying group, but when I tried opening the email it said "this conversation has been deleted" and the email totally disappeared, it wasn't in trash or anywhere. I have never seen something like that, for gmail to just remove an email that was already sent.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5104 on: August 02, 2023, 11:04:51 PM »
Did anyone recently get an email with the subject line something like "Frum Idea to End Poverty" it was a buying group, but when I tried opening the email it said "this conversation has been deleted" and the email totally disappeared, it wasn't in trash or anywhere. I have never seen something like that, for gmail to just remove an email that was already sent.

Anyone facing poverty, should be the last person in buying groups

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5105 on: August 13, 2023, 12:50:13 AM »
I have had similar experience, but never with BFMR's main address "Hudson", amazon has refunded me for lost packages to this address as recently as yesterday, don't ship to their other ones from amazon. However IME many times the packages weren't actually lost they were in the BGs warehouse or were being shipped to their main location, and eventually turned up.
Update I just had it with BFMR also. So ignore my previous post.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5106 on: August 14, 2023, 12:22:32 PM »
Any way to contact MYS? They havent paid out a check that was requested, while paying out smaller ones requested after. Its past the time frame and they arent responding to my ticket.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5107 on: August 14, 2023, 01:03:35 PM »
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5108 on: August 14, 2023, 01:09:54 PM »
Any way to contact MYS? They havent paid out a check that was requested, while paying out smaller ones requested after. Its past the time frame and they arent responding to my ticket.
Didn't MYS become TDB become BuyingGroup.com?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5109 on: August 14, 2023, 02:05:13 PM »
Does using BuyingGroup.com shipping address get you banned from Amazon?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5110 on: August 14, 2023, 03:13:06 PM »
Does using BuyingGroup.com shipping address get you banned from Amazon?

Never heard of amazon banning any accounts after shipping to any BG's address.
Unlike other retailers that will

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5111 on: August 14, 2023, 03:23:03 PM »
They mark the BG address as freight forwarder and will refuse to help if anything goes wrong. But nothing for the billing address

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5112 on: August 14, 2023, 04:18:10 PM »
Never heard of amazon banning any accounts after shipping to any BG's address.
Unlike other retailers that will

Only true (for now) if you are a one account kind of guy.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5113 on: August 14, 2023, 07:31:09 PM »
anyone have any positive or negtative experience or data points with this new company, Deal&Runner ?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5115 on: August 15, 2023, 01:49:58 AM »
check it out
https://thelakewoodscoop.com/news/more-money-on-the-table-new-software-is-changing-the-buying-game-forever/

yup, that is a ad from a tabloid masquerading as news.....want to now if anyone has any first hand experience...

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5116 on: August 15, 2023, 09:04:39 PM »
Any way to contact MYS? They havent paid out a check that was requested, while paying out smaller ones requested after. Its past the time frame and they arent responding to my ticket.
What is the "timeframe" for them?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5118 on: August 21, 2023, 04:15:57 PM »
I really try to stay away from buying group unless I have a sign up bonus to hit....however which group currently scans in the fastest after delivery? I don't mind waiting 2-3 weeks for the money, however when something gets delivered and dosent get scanned in for a week or 2, it gets me so nervous till it eventually scans in....

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5119 on: August 22, 2023, 08:20:25 AM »
I really try to stay away from buying group unless I have a sign up bonus to hit....however which group currently scans in the fastest after delivery? I don't mind waiting 2-3 weeks for the money, however when something gets delivered and dosent get scanned in for a week or 2, it gets me so nervous till it eventually scans in....

thanks
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