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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5200 on: November 23, 2023, 03:10:48 PM »
just saw this ad on yeshiva world for a new company called Deal and Runner.

http://www.dealandrunner.com

they are saying they are not a buying group but rather more of a direct transaction between the buyer and the dealer.... to me it sounds just like another buying group. anyone have any experience or thoughts on his?
Sounds like a buying group to me.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5201 on: November 23, 2023, 10:17:51 PM »
I'm looking for a BG to purchase items for me that are on sale tonight, would need ideally close to 75 ppl in it.
Feel free to PM me.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5202 on: November 23, 2023, 10:51:35 PM »
I'm looking for a BG to purchase items for me that are on sale tonight, would need ideally close to 75 ppl in it.
Feel free to PM me.
Use deal and runner
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5203 on: November 23, 2023, 10:59:46 PM »
I'm looking for a BG to purchase items for me that are on sale tonight, would need ideally close to 75 ppl in it.
Feel free to PM me.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5204 on: November 29, 2023, 03:20:23 PM »
PSA!! stay away from DEAL AND RUNNER they are new to the game and i was told by the warehouse manager that a lot of theyre packages are being held by usps even though they show deliverd and ups is also showing deliverd but is not dropping off the packages there i have already lost a few thousand dollars with them and they have no one to talk to if you try opening a ticket it will just get closed without a response... BUYERS BEWARE[size12pt]=[/size]
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5205 on: November 29, 2023, 03:48:02 PM »
PSA!! stay away from DEAL AND RUNNER they are new to the game and i was told by the warehouse manager that a lot of theyre packages are being held by usps even though they show deliverd and ups is also showing deliverd but is not dropping off the packages there i have already lost a few thousand dollars with them and they have no one to talk to if you try opening a ticket it will just get closed without a response... BUYERS BEWARE[size12pt]=[/size]
Please disclose if you have any interest in this game. Nothing personal but this is your first post in three years and it’s a serious accusation.
Which warehouse are you referring to? The Delaware or the Lakewood one?
I sent to Lakewood some stuff and everything was immediately scanned and it says on the site “available for payout “. Meanwhile I think they gave me a better experience than cnj. But BFMR was definitely the best before their addresses got flagged by every serious website.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5206 on: November 29, 2023, 05:26:57 PM »
PSA!! stay away from DEAL AND RUNNER they are new to the game and i was told by the warehouse manager that a lot of theyre packages are being held by usps even though they show deliverd and ups is also showing deliverd but is not dropping off the packages there i have already lost a few thousand dollars with them and they have no one to talk to if you try opening a ticket it will just get closed without a response... BUYERS BEWARE[size12pt]=[/size]
One of the owners wrote that they're doing daily pickups from USPS for packages being held there, when were your items delivered?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5207 on: November 30, 2023, 12:06:09 AM »
PSA!! stay away from DEAL AND RUNNER they are new to the game and i was told by the warehouse manager that a lot of theyre packages are being held by usps even though they show deliverd and ups is also showing deliverd but is not dropping off the packages there i have already lost a few thousand dollars with them and they have no one to talk to if you try opening a ticket it will just get closed without a response... BUYERS BEWARE[size12pt]=[/size]
Please disclose if you have any interest in this game. Nothing personal but this is your first post in three years and it’s a serious accusation.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5208 on: December 01, 2023, 02:17:23 PM »
they are not as bad as i thought but just be wary cuz ups is not delivering theyre packages
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5209 on: December 01, 2023, 02:57:16 PM »
they are not as bad as i thought but just be wary cuz ups is not delivering theyre packages
You didnt respond whether you have a connectioj to another group

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5210 on: December 01, 2023, 03:00:19 PM »
Anyone have an issue getting return labels from Amazon if the order went to a buying group? They started offering only UPS pickups (no printable label) when the order was to a buying group. CS cannot change it. I recently received an empty AirPods box and refurbished (returned?) iPad, and cannot get them returned/refunded.

They also started this new habit of kicking the can down the road when I ask for a refund for an order that even the tracking page doesn't show as delivered, telling me to wait another 2-3 weeks and then another.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5211 on: December 02, 2023, 10:29:13 PM »
they are not as bad as i thought but just be wary cuz ups is not delivering theyre packages
Fast change of mind.
You didnt respond whether you have a connectioj to another group

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5212 on: December 02, 2023, 10:44:31 PM »
Anyone have an issue getting return labels from Amazon if the order went to a buying group? They started offering only UPS pickups (no printable label) when the order was to a buying group. CS cannot change it. I recently received an empty AirPods box and refurbished (returned?) iPad, and cannot get them returned/refunded.

They also started this new habit of kicking the can down the road when I ask for a refund for an order that even the tracking page doesn't show as delivered, telling me to wait another 2-3 weeks and then another.
A lot of DPs around this. At this point you need to get used to just eating the cost of these types of things, and also sending packages to BGs that have some sort of "package loss insurance". Game has changed.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5213 on: December 03, 2023, 09:21:12 AM »
Anyone have an issue getting return labels from Amazon if the order went to a buying group? They started offering only UPS pickups (no printable label) when the order was to a buying group. CS cannot change it. I recently received an empty AirPods box and refurbished (returned?) iPad, and cannot get them returned/refunded.

They also started this new habit of kicking the can down the road when I ask for a refund for an order that even the tracking page doesn't show as delivered, telling me to wait another 2-3 weeks and then another.
which group? I had this ups pick up only option with BFMR and they did it for me

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5214 on: December 04, 2023, 12:11:17 PM »
which group? I had this ups pick up only option with BFMR and they did it for me
Sorry I wasn't clear, Amazon is the one "kicking the can down the road" and refusing the refund. The buying group agreed to wait for the label, but I don't know what happened after that. How did BFMR do it? Waited for the label and matched the RMA#? Or is there a better way?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5215 on: December 04, 2023, 12:39:39 PM »
I just used for the first time a BG, have been avoiding them, but decided for this purchase the benefit outweighed the risk.
I shipped to BFMR and it was delivered last week wednesday, still does't show that they received it, is this the normal way they operate?
THey write they process quickly and send payment that night is this accurate?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5216 on: December 04, 2023, 01:28:05 PM »
I just used for the first time a BG, have been avoiding them, but decided for this purchase the benefit outweighed the risk.
I shipped to BFMR and it was delivered last week wednesday, still does't show that they received it, is this the normal way they operate?
THey write they process quickly and send payment that night is this accurate?
Yes but always a little backed up because of Black Friday season

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5217 on: December 04, 2023, 01:30:04 PM »
Sorry I wasn't clear, Amazon is the one "kicking the can down the road" and refusing the refund. The buying group agreed to wait for the label, but I don't know what happened after that. How did BFMR do it? Waited for the label and matched the RMA#? Or is there a better way?
If the buying group agreed to wait for the label I wouldn’t worry. Bfmr sends you the new tracking number once ups picks it up so you can track your return.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5218 on: December 04, 2023, 02:17:02 PM »
I just used for the first time a BG, have been avoiding them, but decided for this purchase the benefit outweighed the risk.
I shipped to BFMR and it was delivered last week wednesday, still does't show that they received it, is this the normal way they operate?
THey write they process quickly and send payment that night is this accurate?
They are the fastest in the game at paying and usually at scanning too throughout the year, I think they're just a little behind bc of BF

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5219 on: December 04, 2023, 02:19:44 PM »
Anyone have an issue getting return labels from Amazon if the order went to a buying group? They started offering only UPS pickups (no printable label) when the order was to a buying group. CS cannot change it. I recently received an empty AirPods box and refurbished (returned?) iPad, and cannot get them returned/refunded.

They also started this new habit of kicking the can down the road when I ask for a refund for an order that even the tracking page doesn't show as delivered, telling me to wait another 2-3 weeks and then another.

which group? I had this ups pick up only option with BFMR and they did it for me

Sorry I wasn't clear, Amazon is the one "kicking the can down the road" and refusing the refund. The buying group agreed to wait for the label, but I don't know what happened after that. How did BFMR do it? Waited for the label and matched the RMA#? Or is there a better way?

I was responding to your first paragraph. Is there a reason you need a printable label instead of QR code/UPS pick up? Did the BG tell you that? That's why I asking which BG