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https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/

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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #160 on: January 08, 2014, 02:33:52 AM »
Give it up, man! No one with an IQ of 50+ is gonna post it on DDF. Seriously...

Where is that one shotah when you need one??? >:(

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #161 on: January 08, 2014, 02:36:32 AM »
Where is that one shotah when you need one??? >:(
ALOL
When you find him, please communicate via PM. No need to mess this up for others...

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #162 on: January 08, 2014, 02:37:56 AM »
ALOL
When you find him, please communicate via PM. No need to mess this up for others...

So you're the one putting up the signs!!! Then you PM me!!! Please, I can't sleep.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #163 on: January 08, 2014, 03:22:30 AM »
So you're the one putting up the signs!!! Then you PM me!!! Please, I can't sleep.
OK I'll put you out of your misery.
 
There is a special synagogue sign up bonus available on the "platinum amex for non profits." It give 2.5 million MR points after 25k spend! (If you pay for a kiddush it counts as double! :-X)
The trick is that its really a targeted offer for chabbad houses. There is a guy in Lakewood who has multiple chabbad houses under his name to they are renaming all the Lakewood shuls "770" and making off with the loot!
This has not hit the blogs yet. So let's keep this "in house"!.

I hope you now have very sweet dream!

 

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #164 on: January 08, 2014, 07:17:37 AM »
OK I'll put you out of your misery.
 
There is a special synagogue sign up bonus available on the "platinum amex for non profits." It give 2.5 million MR points after 25k spend! (If you pay for a kiddush it counts as double! :-X)
The trick is that its really a targeted offer for chabbad houses. There is a guy in Lakewood who has multiple chabbad houses under his name to they are renaming all the Lakewood shuls "770" and making off with the loot!
This has not hit the blogs yet. So let's keep this "in house"!.

I hope you now have very sweet dream!

 ;D ;D ;D
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #165 on: January 08, 2014, 08:37:04 AM »
ALOL!
Good job CBC.....

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #166 on: January 08, 2014, 09:51:44 AM »
Probably too late to jump on the bandwagon. There's some chatter from sources outside the points/ MS community about Amex looking at taking some course of action, but its just completely unconfirmed chatter right now. They are slow so even if true this will take a while to play out, especially if it involves legal dept. but best guess is that this avenue is winding down in the short term.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #167 on: January 08, 2014, 10:07:51 AM »
Probably too late to jump on the bandwagon. There's some chatter about Amex looking at taking some course of action, but its just completely unconfirmed chatter right now. They are slow so even if true this will take a while to play out, especially if it involves legal dept. but best guess is that this avenue is winding down in the short term.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #168 on: January 08, 2014, 10:20:00 AM »
Probably too late to jump on the bandwagon. There's some chatter about Amex looking at taking some course of action, but its just completely unconfirmed chatter right now. They are slow so even if true this will take a while to play out, especially if it involves legal dept. but best guess is that this avenue is winding down in the short term.
if done "right" it could still be hard to track...
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #169 on: January 08, 2014, 11:19:33 AM »
very valid point.  But don't you think that it's a bit over the top to write  let's take this guy to a dark alley?! Maybe the guy is honest. You gotta be careful before writing stuff like that IMO.
it was not intended in actuality

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #170 on: January 08, 2014, 11:20:23 AM »
if done "right" it could still be hard to track...
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #171 on: January 08, 2014, 11:24:16 AM »
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all about moderation...

(patience, and no greed.. is that even possible in NJ?)
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #172 on: January 08, 2014, 03:29:49 PM »
if done "right" it could still be hard to track...
I guess you mean proxies etc. Amex is not stupid. It's easy enough for them to feed these guys a few "customers" and simply follow the trail. sounds like they are playing with fire if yzj is correct. BTW, the ad is on the cover page of the weekend Hamodia that came out today. $5000 for individuals, $50,000 to $100,000 per shul.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #173 on: January 08, 2014, 03:32:24 PM »
I guess you mean proxies etc. Amex is not stupid. It's easy enough for them to feed these guys a few "customers" and simply follow the trail. sounds like they are playing with fire if yzj is correct. BTW, the ad is on the cover page of the weekend Hamodia that came out today. $5000 for individuals, $50,000 to $100,000 per shul.
Forget amex, it might be the mail and wire fraud guys that will be doing tracking...

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #174 on: January 08, 2014, 03:50:16 PM »
Amex will have to crack down with all this publicity.
Greedy idiots.
Only thing missing is a front-page ad in the NYT

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #175 on: January 08, 2014, 03:56:28 PM »
... BTW, the ad is on the cover page of the weekend Hamodia that came out today. $5000 for individuals, $50,000 to $100,000 per shul.
very NOT smart...!...

that's not what i meant when i wrote patience, moderation, and not being greedy...  ..yuk no cover page ever..
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #176 on: January 08, 2014, 04:26:20 PM »
very NOT smart...!...
 no cover page ever..

Is that like saying "no main site ever"?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #177 on: January 08, 2014, 04:59:15 PM »
Is that like saying "no main site ever"?
site ad can disappear in seconds... (still risky) a paper's cover page is in print forever...
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #178 on: January 08, 2014, 05:05:12 PM »
Do you have a single posek who corroborates what you said in that thread?
There is a fascinating sefer called "Ha'check Be'halacha", two volumes. He thoroughly analyzes modern banking transactions as they apply to Choshen mishpat, Y"D, O"C and E'H. With many sources from contemporary poskim. Very interesting read !

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #179 on: January 08, 2014, 07:59:00 PM »
BTW, the ad is on the cover page of the weekend Hamodia that came out today. $5000 for individuals, $50,000 to $100,000 per shul.
Link?
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