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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #260 on: May 27, 2014, 11:07:05 AM »
It really makes me mad>:(
We gotta figure out a way to stop this!
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #261 on: May 27, 2014, 11:07:52 AM »
Insane money, but really crooked stuff without any disclosure to those they fleece.
Anyone want to make a scan for the ad and upload it here?

We all know what they do. amexreftic

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #262 on: May 27, 2014, 11:08:44 AM »
Isn't opening up a cc in someone else's name identity theft?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #263 on: May 27, 2014, 11:13:25 AM »
Isn't opening up a cc in someone else's name identity theft?
absolutely!
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #264 on: May 27, 2014, 11:13:56 AM »
It really makes me mad>:(
We gotta figure out a way to stop this!
Why ? How many of those people would even know how to do it on their own ? & they could close these cards & open new ones in 12 months. Are they doing anything that's messing up people's accounts for life ?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #265 on: May 27, 2014, 11:17:10 AM »
Why ? How many of those people would even know how to do it on their own ? & they could close these cards & open new ones in 12 months. Are they doing anything that's messing up people's accounts for life ?
I heard from one of the guys that he did a big batch one day and every single person got FRd due to the big/suspicious transactions he slammed them all with to get it done ASAP.
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #266 on: May 27, 2014, 11:34:00 AM »
I heard from one of the guys that he did a big batch one day and every single person got FRd due to the big/suspicious transactions he slammed them all with to get it done ASAP.
An Amex FR isn't the end of the world. If the CL is lowered it would probably effect the broker more than the individual.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #267 on: May 27, 2014, 11:40:06 AM »
Insane money, but really crooked stuff without any disclosure to those they fleece.
Anyone want to make a scan for the ad and upload it here?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #268 on: May 27, 2014, 11:42:35 AM »
Insane money, but really crooked stuff without any disclosure to those they fleece.
Anyone want to make a scan for the ad and upload it here?
That is indeed evil.
But didn't think you had such strong views about refundables...

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #269 on: May 27, 2014, 11:46:38 AM »
What are they opening already in 1 month? A few Amex business and consumer doesn't easily total 5k.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #270 on: May 27, 2014, 11:48:17 AM »
150k targeted offers, plus they used to have the referral/affiliate link also...

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #271 on: May 27, 2014, 11:49:40 AM »
150k targeted offers, plus they used to have the referral/affiliate link also...
who the heck has multiple 150k targeted offers?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #272 on: May 28, 2014, 03:03:39 AM »
who the heck has multiple 150k targeted offers?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #273 on: May 28, 2014, 09:53:41 AM »
In the mishpacha there was an advertisement this week that mentioned business cards. They were also offering a $150 for every person you refer.

At the bottom it said that they were looking for people to join their "sales team" with the potential to earn "a few thousand dollars a month"

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #274 on: May 28, 2014, 09:59:38 AM »
scary - especially tempting if some data entry people in schools or other chessed organizations know people's SS#s and birthdates then some people can open all types of accts for others without their knowledge. i.e. if they have 400 12th graders on file from 3 years ago then by now they are all over 18.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #275 on: May 28, 2014, 10:19:13 AM »
scary - especially tempting if some data entry people in schools or other chessed organizations know people's SS#s and birthdates then some people can open all types of accts for others without their knowledge. i.e. if they have 400 12th graders on file from 3 years ago then by now they are all over 18.
if i remember correctly - a few years back it happened in a certain yeshiva, and there was strong reason to say that the person behind it was a (unknown) ddf member. It was on the forums way back when.

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« Reply #276 on: May 28, 2014, 10:35:24 AM »
if i remember correctly - a few years back it happened in a certain yeshiva, and there was strong reason to say that the person behind it was a (unknown) ddf member. It was on the forums way back when.
yes i know of that place, it was smaller in size but now there are tempting flyers and advertisements so the potential now for 500-600 people per school is very big
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« Reply #277 on: September 24, 2014, 09:26:49 AM »
if i remember correctly - a few years back it happened in a certain yeshiva, and there was strong reason to say that the person behind it was a (unknown) ddf member. It was on the forums way back when.
I wouldn't say unknown  :'( unfortunately there are a couple people on the forums involved in this and similar scams, and are slowly killing it for the rest of us.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #278 on: January 13, 2015, 02:51:47 PM »
bump  amex closed my amex business platinum this morning after my wife swiped my card in her business last night. any way of having them reopen or have them report it as i closed it? any advise or Can you please direct me to A post that discusses this.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #279 on: January 13, 2015, 03:28:47 PM »
bump  amex closed my amex business platinum this morning after my wife swiped my card in her business last night. any way of having them reopen or have them report it as i closed it? any advise or Can you please direct me to A post that discusses this.

Why would you let her do that 😳