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Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
« Reply #500 on: January 09, 2014, 07:30:28 PM »
Convicted killers are entitled to visitors and helping his wife and kids be with their father and husband is a great Zchus regardless if he's innocent or guilty.
Come on! Why are you even bothering quoting him?

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Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
« Reply #501 on: January 09, 2014, 07:31:33 PM »
I guess that headline is OK? Does that mean I want all jews dead?
there are exceptions to every rule.
It is a rule though.

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Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
« Reply #502 on: January 09, 2014, 07:32:49 PM »
there are exceptions to every rule.
It is a rule though.
What rule?
Only on DDF does 24/6 mean 24/5/half/half

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Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
« Reply #503 on: January 09, 2014, 07:39:59 PM »

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Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
« Reply #504 on: January 09, 2014, 08:39:07 PM »
I guess that headline is OK? Does that mean I want all jews dead?
I agree with you, that editorial is way over the top. He should have been much clearer, that in America the Gentiles have been much kinder and tolerant of the Jewish people. I think his point was that there still are many anti semites around.


 60 years ago in Europe (and America), almost no Gentile would ask what you just asked. They'd agree: "of course we hate the Jews".
« Last Edit: January 09, 2014, 08:44:54 PM by Baruch »

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Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
« Reply #505 on: January 09, 2014, 08:43:12 PM »
I agree with you, that editorial is way over the top.
+1

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Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
« Reply #506 on: January 09, 2014, 08:49:01 PM »
He does say
"We thought it was different here.
America is not Russia,
Or Germany,
France or Rome.

It’s not,
But the hatred is here as well.
The quiet murmurs,
Suspicions,
And tricks."


Bit I still think it's way over the top.



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Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
« Reply #507 on: January 09, 2014, 08:54:25 PM »
Maybe in the snow, on ice it takes longer?

Speaking of surveillance cameras, can anyone here recommend a cheap but ok solution? 2 cameras would be ok in this case. Is there a good way to have the video transmitted wirelessly to the DVR?

TIA!

Wireless is good for a baby monitor, not a surveillance camera.

Wireless automatically means bad quality unless you want to have it custom built, which will end up costing you far more than installing a wired system. In general, nobody uses wireless in the surveillance industry unless you are working for the FBI.

It's not that difficult to drill a hole through the exterior wall of your home and install a camera. If you don't want to do it, a local handy guy would prob do it for around $100.

It also doesn't hurt to get a quote from a pro and to compare prices.

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Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
« Reply #508 on: January 09, 2014, 08:58:09 PM »
He does say
"We thought it was different here.
America is not Russia,
Or Germany,
France or Rome.

It’s not,
But the hatred is here as well.
The quiet murmurs,
Suspicions,
And tricks."


Bit I still think it's way over the top.
I don't understand what there is to gain by shouting from the rooftops that we are hated.
Are we looking for sympathy?
Do we think that we are gonna be loved when we victimize ourselves?

An analogy would be dealing with a bully: its not helpful to call the bully a bully, IME it only aggravates  the bully more...

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You can say what you think when you think what you say.

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Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
« Reply #510 on: January 09, 2014, 09:09:51 PM »
http://www.zingmit.com/medical-examiner-menachem-stark-ah-died-of-asphyxiation/

If you will look back through the old articles, you will see that the police already said it was asphyxiation on motzoei Shabbos. This is not news. So they "confirmed" it. Big deal. You can also run five days of tests to confirm that orange juice comes from oranges.

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Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
« Reply #511 on: January 09, 2014, 09:32:13 PM »
IME it only aggravates  the bully more...
Rough childhood?;)

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Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
« Reply #512 on: January 09, 2014, 09:35:29 PM »
Rough childhood?;)
nah, I was the rough one ;)

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Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
« Reply #513 on: January 09, 2014, 09:45:23 PM »
Wireless is good for a baby monitor, not a surveillance camera.

Wireless automatically means bad quality unless you want to have it custom built, which will end up costing you far more than installing a wired system. In general, nobody uses wireless in the surveillance industry unless you are working for the FBI.

It's not that difficult to drill a hole through the exterior wall of your home and install a camera. If you don't want to do it, a local handy guy would prob do it for around $100.

It also doesn't hurt to get a quote from a pro and to compare prices.
The point of his article was to wait for Moshiach, and that we are still in Galus. He was screaming, if he gets quoted in a public forum, he is then put on the rooftops.

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Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
« Reply #514 on: January 10, 2014, 12:42:38 AM »
60 years ago in Europe (and America), almost no Gentile would ask what you just asked. They'd agree: "of course we hate the Jews".
It is really sad you believe this.
Only on DDF does 24/6 mean 24/5/half/half

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Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
« Reply #515 on: January 10, 2014, 01:00:16 AM »
It is really sad you believe this.
It's true.
Learn your history.
6 million Jews were slain 60 years ago.
While the nations of the world turned an eye.
How can i not believe this?

Most DDFers Great grand parents were killed by anti semites. (citation needed  ;) )

A Hotel a few blocks away from where I lived in NJ, 60 years ago used to have a sign "No Dogs, No Jews".

Things have changed.
Thank G-d.

American attitude was much more anti semetic 60 years ago than it is now.
(Of course it wasn't close to the anti semitism in Europe).

Germans, Poles, Ukranians, Lithuanians, Russians, Hungarians, etc. killed millions of Jews. Just 60 years ago.

Why would you say it's sad that I believe this?

« Last Edit: January 10, 2014, 01:39:24 AM by Baruch »

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Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
« Reply #516 on: January 10, 2014, 01:04:09 AM »
It's completely false. To this day polls show rampant anti-Semitism in Europe and very low in the US.

In Germany Jews were segregated and prevented from owning businesses etc until emancipation in the 19th century. Jews were always second class since then. America does not have that history.
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Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
« Reply #517 on: January 10, 2014, 01:04:35 AM »
It's true.
Learn your history.
6 million Jews were slain 60 years ago.
How can i not believe this?
Probably because many ethnic and racial groups have been targeted over the years.

Think of North Korea, they have concentration camps that are still up and running!! And no one has a clue what's going on there.

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Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
« Reply #518 on: January 10, 2014, 01:08:24 AM »
It's completely false. To this day polls show rampant anti-Semitism in Europe and very low in the US.

In Germany Jews were segregated and prevented from owning businesses etc until emancipation in the 19th century. Jews were always second class since then. America does not have that history.
You obviously have not read any books regarding America and anti-semitism.

The whole defense of FDR is based on that he wasn't an anti semite, but being that the public had strong anti semetic feelings, he would lose the public if he spent resources to save the Jews.

Obviously America was much less anti semetic then (Eastern) Europe.

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Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
« Reply #519 on: January 10, 2014, 01:09:45 AM »
You obviously have not read any books regarding America and anti-semitism.

The whole defense of FDR is based on that he wasn't an anti semite, but being that the public had strong anti semetic feelings, he would lose the public if he spent resources to save the Jews.

Obviously America was much less anti semetic then (Eastern) Europe.

I'm talking about 2014 America vs Germany
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