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Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
« Reply #705 on: July 20, 2016, 12:32:58 AM »
According to you.
According to Judaism. I don't think it is a matter of debate in Judaism.
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Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
« Reply #706 on: July 20, 2016, 12:36:01 AM »
According to Judaism. I don't think it is a matter of debate in Judaism.
Wrong thread but she feels she converted. What you or I say doesn't mean squat.
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Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
« Reply #707 on: July 20, 2016, 12:38:39 AM »
Wrong thread but she feels she converted. What you or I say doesn't mean squat.
She feels she is a Jew now. Anyone saying otherwise is saying she never was one.

How about someone here illegally who says he feels he is an American? Do we still say that what anyone says about it is meaningless?
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Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
« Reply #708 on: July 20, 2016, 12:40:13 AM »
According to Judaism. I don't think it is not a matter of debate in Judaism.
FTFY

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Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
« Reply #709 on: July 20, 2016, 12:47:45 AM »
She feels she is a Jew now. Anyone saying otherwise is saying she never was one.

How about someone here illegally who says he feels he is an American? Do we still say that what anyone says about it is meaningless?
One is a legal issue and the other is a Religious issue. I am not judging anyone as this is between her and her G-d. What anyone says or thinks can't change that. I would feel the same way no matter what religion she converted to.
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Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
« Reply #710 on: July 20, 2016, 12:55:04 AM »
One is a legal issue and the other is a Religious issue. I am not judging anyone as this is between her and her G-d. What anyone says or thinks can't change that. I would feel the same way no matter what religion she converted to.
Right, but then you can't say she's no longer a Jew either. Aygart is pointing out that there's no off-ramp within Judaism. A Jew is either born a Jew or converted to Judaism - but there's no mechanism for a Jew to become a non-Jew.

The issue that came up recently is only whether or not her conversion would be accepted within the Jewish community, which is distinctly between her and other Jews (ie would her children be considered Jewish and therefore eligible to marry another Jew without converting).

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Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
« Reply #711 on: July 20, 2016, 01:12:25 AM »
Right, but then you can't say she's no longer a Jew either. Aygart is pointing out that there's no off-ramp within Judaism. A Jew is either born a Jew or converted to Judaism - but there's no mechanism for a Jew to become a non-Jew.

The issue that came up recently is only whether or not her conversion would be accepted within the Jewish community, which is distinctly between her and other Jews (ie would her children be considered Jewish and therefore eligible to marry another Jew without converting).
First my OP was made tongue in cheek. As far as the rest all that matters is how she is viewed in G-d's eyes.
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Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
« Reply #712 on: July 20, 2016, 04:04:41 AM »
First my OP was made tongue in cheek. As far as the rest all that matters is how she is viewed in G-d's eyes.
And God has made it pretty clear what He considers a Jew and what He doesn't

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Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
« Reply #713 on: July 20, 2016, 08:22:47 AM »
And God has made it pretty clear what He considers a Jew and what He doesn't
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It's ignorant for you (JTZ) to say she's a Jew without studying the laws of conversion. You say it's a religious question and not a legal question? Judaism is not Catholicism; it's a religion of laws.
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
« Reply #714 on: July 20, 2016, 08:30:29 AM »
You heard Ivanka is no longer a Jew.
I haven't got time to write an essay but in short, Judaism isn't a religion.
One of the ways that comes into play is that you can't join yourself. You have to be accepted. On the other hand, once your in you can't leave.

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Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
« Reply #715 on: July 20, 2016, 08:38:53 AM »
+1

It's ignorant for you (JTZ) to say she's a Jew without studying the laws of conversion. You say it's a religious question and not a legal question? Judaism is not Catholicism; it's a religion of laws.
I am doing my best to not make this about any one religion. Many religions have their own laws/rules. My point is it does not matter if you or I feel someone broke those laws/rules or is not following them. In the end we have no say so in the matter.
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Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
« Reply #716 on: July 20, 2016, 09:32:51 AM »
I am doing my best to not make this about any one religion. Many religions have their own laws/rules. My point is it does not matter if you or I feel someone broke those laws/rules or is not following them. In the end we have no say so in the matter.
Good to know how you stand on the whole gender bathroom issue. If someone says they are something than that is what they are.
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Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
« Reply #717 on: July 20, 2016, 09:57:49 AM »
One is an issue of secular law and the other is Religious law.
FTFY. Judaism has guidelines about who is a Jew.
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Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
« Reply #718 on: July 20, 2016, 10:03:54 AM »
It was tongue and cheek. What part don't you understand?

If you want to have the other discussion start another thread. I would love to hear how any religious law Trump's G-d's law.  :)
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Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
« Reply #719 on: July 20, 2016, 10:17:09 AM »
It was tongue and cheek. What part don't you understand?

If you want to have the other discussion start another thread. I would love to hear how any religious law Trump's G-d's law.  :)
who is a Jew is a very serious issue and many here will not take it as a joke.
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