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can anyone please explain how to fly el al w/o fuel surcharges?
You quoted it.
Use AA miles.
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can anyone please explain how to fly el al w/o fuel surcharges?
Book through AA.

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Looking to go to from jfk to prague to israel and back to jfk this summer. Delta wants 150k miles (obscene!).  I think the full fare non-refundable ticket with the connections is 1500. With the 50% amex points transfer promo, this would cost me 100k points per ticket and I need 4 tickets (400k points).  Is this considered a good deal?  Am I better off just buying the tickets outright and saving the 400k points? 

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Looking to go to from jfk to prague to israel and back to jfk this summer. Delta wants 150k miles (obscene!).  I think the full fare non-refundable ticket with the connections is 1500. With the 50% amex points transfer promo, this would cost me 100k points per ticket and I need 4 tickets (400k points).  Is this considered a good deal?  Am I better off just buying the tickets outright and saving the 400k points?
Bad deal. 100K Amex points could be worth more than $1500. and you also have to pay $100 for the transfer, plus you lose the mileage earning by flying delta.
But first search Air france they usually have to Israel for 100,000 points, but they charge fuel surcharges, so what you should do is call up delta saying that you found that price with Air france, and you want to book it with delta miles.
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Bad deal. 100K Amex points could be worth more than $1500.

They could even be worth close to $4000; the cash value of a Continental BusinessFirst flight to EY(depending on season). All you need is 90K miles transfered to ANA.

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thanks
So you suggest I pay the $1550 per ticket now and hold on for later?

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They could even be worth close to $4000; the cash value of a Continental BusinessFirst flight to EY(depending on season). All you need is 90K miles transfered to ANA.

I'm missing something here: if your advising him to fly continental, why do you suggest transferring to ANA?

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Re: Israel with Amex Membership Reward Points
« Reply #37 on: June 05, 2011, 10:08:57 AM »
This must be one of the most common questions out there, maybe this will settle it once and for all?
If I'm missing any good AMEX transfer methods or if there any mistakes let me know!
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Star Alliance:
Using ANA miles
-If there is availability on Continental or USAirways for your dates: Transfer 60,000 points per ticket to ANA for coach or 90,000 points per ticket for business.  If you redeem ANA miles to go to Israel on airlines besides for Continental or USAirways you will be hit with fuel surcharges.

Using Continental miles
-If there is Star Alliance availability besides for Continental and USAirways, transfer 75,000 points per ticket to Continental for coach or 115,000 points for business.  Continental never charges fuel surcharges.  Continental also gives its own elite members expanded award availability for travel on Continental.
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OneWorld:
Using BA miles
-If there is OneWorld availability, transfer 65,000 points per ticket to BA for coach or 130,000 points per ticket for business, plus expect to pay additional fuel surcharges if your travel includes flying on BA.  There won't be fuel surcharges if you only travel on partner airlines.
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Skyteam:
Using Alitalia miles
-If there is Skyteam availability transfer 50,000 points per ticket to Alitalia for coach or 80,000 points per ticket for business, plus expect to pay fuel surcharges.

Using Flying Blue miles
-If there is a promo award available on Flying Blue for your dates and you're ready to work hard to get them to honor it and cut through red tape: Transfer 25,000 points to Flying Blue per ticket for coach or 50,000 points per ticket for business, plus expect to pay fuel surcharges.

Using Delta miles
-You can also transfer to Delta Skypesos to avoid fuel surcharges for travel originating in the US (Delta charges fuel surcharges for travel originating outside of the US), but their mileage rates are variable.  Coach can be between 80,000 and 190,000 and business can be between 120,000 and 370,000.
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Other:
Using El Al miles
-If there is El Al availability transfer 98,000 points per ticket to El Al for coach or 210,000 points per ticket for business, plus expect to pay fuel surcharges.

What's the rate for first class?
« Last Edit: June 05, 2011, 10:28:54 AM by Nitantnel »

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Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
« Reply #38 on: June 05, 2011, 03:55:06 PM »
What's the rate for first class?

Your FC options are limited as AA doesn't book F awards on El Al and CO offers BF which is a J award. LY or BA will charge you expensive YQ.

What metal F are you looking to fly?
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Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
« Reply #39 on: June 05, 2011, 04:07:18 PM »
Your FC options are limited as AA doesn't book F awards on El Al and CO offers BF which is a J award. LY or BA will charge you expensive YQ.

What metal F are you looking to fly?
Any. I have BA, MR and AA points. BA, like you said, is darn expensive: 190K +$600 in FS! So anything that is first and cheaper than that. (I promised my father a FC ticket thinking it is only 130K, I didn't realize that 130 is for business and not for first - so that's my dilemma.

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Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
« Reply #40 on: June 05, 2011, 04:08:51 PM »
Any. I have BA, MR and AA points. BA, like you said, is darn expensive: 190K +$600 in FS! So anything that is first and cheaper than that. (I promised my father a FC ticket thinking it is only 130K, I didn't realize that 130 is for business and not for first - so that's my dilemma.

CO BF not good enough for you?
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Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
« Reply #41 on: June 05, 2011, 05:48:49 PM »
As AsherO said, I didn't include F in the comparison because from North America there is a dearth of F service to TLV.

AC from YYZ is Y/J
CO from EWR is Y/J.
DL from ATL/JFK is Y/J.
US from PHL is Y/J
Only LY has F and it can't be booked with AA miles, only LY points which are ridiculously high in points required and fuel surcharges (although availability is accordingly quite good)

Of course there are some connecting options in F to TLV (BA, LH, and LX come to mind).  Perhaps someone wants to the research on it?
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Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
« Reply #42 on: June 05, 2011, 06:34:54 PM »
CO BF not good enough for you?

Is their BF better than regular business? (assuming that BF means the highest class in a two cabin plane) Also, for the dates I'm looking for, Jan 25 -Jan 31, I do not see any direct flights in BF or F. I am therefor open F class tickets for all indirect carriers.
As AsherO said, I didn't include F in the comparison because from North America there is a dearth of F service to TLV.

AC from YYZ is Y/J
CO from EWR is Y/J.
DL from ATL/JFK is Y/J.
US from PHL is Y/J
Only LY has F and it can't be booked with AA miles, only LY points which are ridiculously high in points required and fuel surcharges (although availability is accordingly quite good)

Of course there are some connecting options in F to TLV (BA, LH, and LX come to mind).  Perhaps someone wants to the research on it?


I am not that good at this, but I did look up a few: BA (three times the price of coach)=190,  US airway=150, and Continental=72,500 on Saver pass, and 160,000 on easy pass.

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Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
« Reply #43 on: June 05, 2011, 08:19:06 PM »
I'm missing something here: if your advising him to fly continental, why do you suggest transferring to ANA?

Umm.......because ANA books on continental with less miles required.

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Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
« Reply #44 on: June 05, 2011, 09:44:58 PM »
Is their BF better than regular business? (assuming that BF means the highest class in a two cabin plane)

CO flies the Boeing 777 on their EWR-TLV route. This aircraft's BF seats are all lie-flat (180 degrees).
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