Married men wear a ring to the office?

[12HRS]

BTW, in halacha, giving over an object to someone is considered a form of נגיעה, hence the issur on giving over things to your spouse at certain times.

Form of Negiah? or worried about accidentally touching?

Why is it something that only applies to spouses then?

[MarkS]

BTW, in halacha, giving over an object to someone is considered a form of נגיעה, hence the issur on giving over things to your spouse at certain times.

Harchakos are more stringent than regular hilchos negia since you are married and have a close relationship and usually touch.

You can definitely hand something to a female (even if she is a nidda) as long as she is not your wife.
If you eat a meal with a female that isn't your wife you don't need a heker etc etc.

[Ches]

You see it as being meikel in arayos, but I'm being machmir in kiddush Hashem, kavod ha'brios, and malbim pnei chaveiro b'rabbim.  If I shake the hands of three men and skip the woman, that's not embarrassing? 

The difference is you are meikel in arayos, what is 1 of the שלש עבירות החמורות

[LA2NYC]

The difference is you are meikel in arayos, what is 1 of the שלש עבירות החמורות

Saw that coming.  Malbim pnei chaveiro b'rabim isn't sh'fichus damim?  Haha, malbim pnei chaveiro, making her face white by sending out the blood, ie, shofech damim.

YK isn't mechaper for bein adam l'chaveiro.

[shlaros228]

In other words, you are ashamed of this fact that frum Jews don't shake hands, unless you have another way of explaining this.

Your observance in certain issues does not indicate a lack of shame in other issues. Most Jews are not ashamed of observing Shabbos, so what? Most Jews are not ashamed of keeping kosher, so what? Niddah on the other hand...

Besides, you have made it quite clear that on THIS issue you are ashamed, so why bring in your Shabbos, kosher and prayer observance?

dont think we belong to the same religion.  ur classification of ppl based on whether they shake hands as 'frum' is precisely why ppl like you annoy me.

your inability to see more than 1 side to a debate is quite aggravating.

the fact that you don't work on the Street the way we do makes your opinion on this virtually irrelevant to the extent that its based on experience

[churnbabychurn]

Saw that coming.  Malbim pnei chaveiro b'rabim isn't sh'fichus damim?  Haha, malbim pnei chaveiro, making her face white by sending out the blood, ie, shofech damim.

hmm

[Moishel]

Nope, thats because it might lead to negia (according to most)

I stand corrected.

[CountValentine]

CV, my friend, if this really amuses you, I can list any number of issues that are fairly "black-and-white" but will elicit all types of debate even from halacha-observing Jews.

Ask them if they eat M&M's and watch the fireworks.

Amuse would not be the right word but some of the comments are pretty off-the-wall.

[zale]

dont think we belong to the same religion.  ur classification of ppl based on whether they shake hands as 'frum' is precisely why ppl like you annoy me.

your inability to see more than 1 side to a debate is quite aggravating.

the fact that you don't work on the Street the way we do makes your opinion on this virtually irrelevant to the extent that its based on experience

My office is in Midtown Manhattan, so let's start by getting your facts straight.

I do not classify people based on whether they shake hands, and have never stated that those who do are not frum.

Perhaps you should go back and read over what I have said, as the only one jumping to conclusions here is you.

[Ergel]

dont think we belong to the same religion.  ur classification of ppl based on whether they shake hands as 'frum' is precisely why ppl like you annoy me.

your inability to see more than 1 side to a debate is quite aggravating.

the fact that you don't work on the Street the way we do makes your opinion on this virtually irrelevant to the extent that its based on experience

I wouldn't have said it so harshly, but +1. There are poskim, real ones, who hold it's mutar. How can you say "frum people don't shake hands." Do you think that someone who is following his posek is not frum?

[LA2NYC]

My office is in Midtown Manhattan, so let's start by getting your facts straight.

I do not classify people based on whether they shake hands, and have never stated that those who do are not frum.

Perhaps you should go back and read over what I have said, as the only one jumping to conclusions here is you.

Zale said I was ashamed of my Judaism, but that's obviously not jumping to conclusions.

malbim pnei chaveiro - hmm

Sorry, I stand corrected.  She's a goy, embarrass her all you want.

The great great majority BH have their heads screwed on straight, but there's a reason why some people aren't so fond of parts of the RW world....this might have something to do with it.

[zale]

Zale said I was ashamed of my Judaism, but that's obviously not jumping to conclusions.

I have pretty much clarified that yes, as per your own admission, you are ashamed of this aspect of Judaism.

I'm sorry, but I'm having a very hard time believing your claim that it's all about not shaming someone in public, and that it's all about her feelings and not about yours.

I'm sure (and I hope) that with all other aspects, you are a proud Jew.

[Ergel]

I have pretty much clarified that yes, as per your own admission, you are ashamed of this aspect of Judaism.

I'm sorry, but I'm having a very hard time believing your claim that it's all about not shaming someone in public, and that it's all about her feelings and not about yours.

I'm sure (and I hope) that with all other aspects, you are a proud Jew.

Do you agree or disagree that there are reliable poskim who are matir?

[shlaros228]

frum Jews don't shake hands

sorry for quoting too much for you the first time.

but you did say this.

just in case you forgot.

im not sure how to interpret other than to indicate that ppl who do the opposite are in fact not frum.

[YankyDoodle]

Wow, everyone needs to just chill out a bit.

There are 2 groups of ppl:
1) Those who don't often come in contact with women or don't work in a field that shaking is considered "a must".
2) Those who do come in contact with women and work in a field that shaking is considered "a must".

The large majority of #1 say that one should be proud of their Judaism and not shake (most shakers prob. belonged to this group prior to entering their field of work).
The large majority of #2 say that there is sufficient room in halacha to be meikal and therefore they make the best of a difficult scenario. (most non-shakers prob. would belong to this group if in the future they entered such a field).

There are a small number of shakers who do not work in a field where shaking is "a must" (that includes only CV  )
There are a small number of non-shakers who work in a field where shaking is "a must" they either don't have a heter from a rav or believe that being "proud of their Judasim" trumps the awkwardness and embarrassment that follows.

Live and let live baby!

[zale]

sorry for quoting too much for you the first time.

but you did say this.

just in case you forgot.

im not sure how to interpret other than to indicate that ppl who do the opposite are in fact not frum.

You are quoting me out of context, and you know that you are quoting me out of context. This makes you look completely unreliable, much like when NBC cut the Zimmerman tape to make him look like a racist.

It's true, Frum people typically do not shake hands, are you disagreeing with that statement?

[shlaros228]

Wow, everyone needs to just chill out a bit.

There are 2 groups of ppl:
1) Those who don't often come in contact with women or don't work in a field that shaking is considered "a must".
2) Those who do come in contact with women and work in a field that shaking is considered "a must".

The large majority of #1 say that one should be proud of their Judaism and not shake (most shakers prob. belonged to this group prior to entering their field of work).
The large majority of #2 say that there is sufficient room in halacha to be meikal and therefore they make the best of a difficult scenario. (most non-shakers prob. would belong to this group if in the future they entered such a field).

There are a small number of shakers who do not work in a field where shaking is "a must" (that includes only CV  )
There are a small number of non-shakers who work in a field where shaking is "a must" they either don't have a heter from a rav or believe that being "proud of their Judasim" trumps the awkwardness and embarrassment that follows.

Live and let live baby!

probably fair

[zale]

Do you agree or disagree that there are reliable poskim who are matir?

I'm well aware that there are Poskim who are Matir under certain circumstances. I know that my own Rav's would never permit it, but I understand and agree that there are those who are Matir.

However, my point is an entirely different one:

WHY, that's right, WHY are you looking for the Heter?

Is it because you will LOSE the business from this client, or is it because you are ASHAMED of not shaking her hand?

Think long and hard about this.

[shlaros228]

heading out to milk n honey now.  i wont shake the cashier lady's hand bc that would be weird

[churnbabychurn]

Sorry, I stand corrected.  She's a goy, embarrass her all you want.

The great great majority BH have their heads screwed on straight, but there's a reason why some people aren't so fond of parts of the RW world....this might have something to do with it.

that's not what I meant.