Married men wear a ring to the office?

[Ergel]

The "shaming of others" claim doesn't sit right with me. Are you careful about not shaming others in other circumstances?

This comment is bothering me. You're not?

[henche]

"Almost definitively". So, you are not talking from factual experience, but from your own perception of what the client will do in the future. In my experience you are totally wrong. If you do a good job, they will not only praise you to high-heavens, but they will refer other people to you as well, and yes, they will come back for more.

How about the more likely scenario where you do a passable job appropriate to the amount they paid.

[Aaaron]

I don'tI don'tI don'tIt's not a kula, it's meikar hadin
There is a clear line between things which are kula's and things which are mutar meikar hadin. You can ask your posek which he is telling you.

Kula/loophole, same difference.  And plenty of Rabbis say that you can shake hands, me'ikar hadin, because it's not chiba.  That's not a heter, it's me'ikar hadin.

[ushdadude]

Wow, everyone needs to just chill out a bit.

There are 2 groups of ppl:
1) Those who don't often come in contact with women or don't work in a field that shaking is considered "a must".
2) Those who do come in contact with women and work in a field that shaking is considered "a must".

The large majority of #1 say that one should be proud of their Judaism and not shake (most shakers prob. belonged to this group prior to entering their field of work).
The large majority of #2 say that there is sufficient room in halacha to be meikal and therefore they make the best of a difficult scenario. (most non-shakers prob. would belong to this group if in the future they entered such a field).

There are a small number of shakers who do not work in a field where shaking is "a must" (that includes only CV  )
There are a small number of non-shakers who work in a field where shaking is "a must" they either don't have a heter from a rav or believe that being "proud of their Judasim" trumps the awkwardness and embarrassment that follows.

Live and let live baby!

Well said!

[LA2NYC]

"Almost definitively". So, you are not talking from factual experience, but from your own perception of what the client will do in the future. In my experience you are totally wrong. If you do a good job, they will not only praise you to high-heavens, but they will refer other people to you as well, and yes, they will come back for more.

A frum guy at our client didn't shake hands with someone on my team.  She was very slighted.  I needed to explain it to her but regardless of any explanation, she was still hurt.  This was the flip-side as it was our client, but team member was hurt nonetheless.

The "shaming of others" claim doesn't sit right with me. Are you careful about not shaming others in other circumstances?

I seriously hope this is a joke.

[ushdadude]

 

Have you ever handed over a Money Order to the opposite sex? it's a Shaile of אתנן.
 

 

Not if it's your wife. And it's usually cash or cc anyway
 

I usually say "I don't touch what I can't afford." Goes over real well
 

  Sounds more suggestive than the avoided handshake.
 

[shlaros228]

You are quoting me out of context, and you know that you are quoting me out of context. This makes you look completely unreliable, much like when NBC cut the Zimmerman tape to make him look like a racist.

It's true, Frum people typically do not shake hands, are you disagreeing with that statement?

weird comp.  i dont agree that its out of context.  its the crux of your argument.  do frum ppl watch nbc?

and yes, frum people typically do shake hands based on the ppl i no.  lemme guess, the ppl you know dont.

[MarkS]

Poll added.

What does the winner get?

[shlaros228]

Poll added.

What does the winner get?

a handshake

[YankyDoodle]

Poll added.

There's a problem with the poll. Ppl have different definitions of what type of setting is "a must" for handshaking. Unfortunately my gut is telling me we are going to get a fair number of people selecting that they do not shake hands even when it's "a must", possibly bec. it's not really "a must".

[Ergel]

Kula/loophole, same difference.  And plenty of Rabbis say that you can shake hands, me'ikar hadin, because it's not chiba.  That's not a heter, it's me'ikar hadin.

That's what I was saying

[skyguy918]

There's a problem with the poll. Ppl have different definitions of what type of setting is "a must" for handshaking. Unfortunately my gut is telling me we are going to get a fair number of people selecting that they do not shake hands even when it's "a must", possibly bec. it's not really "a must".

It's unfortunate because it will mess up the poll or it's unfortunate that they never shake hands?

[churnbabychurn]

MO's are frum?

Yes but generally are deeply ashamed of yidishkeit in effort to blend in and become a light to the nations...

[Ergel]

Yes but generally are deeply ashamed of yidishkeit in effort to blend in and become a light to the nations...

Are you sure you want to publicly defame thousands of religious Jews?

[henche]

There's a problem with the poll. Ppl have different definitions of what type of setting is "a must" for handshaking. Unfortunately my gut is telling me we are going to get a fair number of people selecting that they do not shake hands even when it's "a must", possibly bec. it's not really "a must".

tis so. But at least we'll get some picture of it.

[YankyDoodle]

It's unfortunate because it will mess up the poll or it's unfortunate that they never shake hands?

Poll. But seriously, did it read any other way?

[YankyDoodle]

tis so. But at least we'll get some picture of it.

Agreed

[churnbabychurn]

Are you sure you want to publicly defame thousands of religious Jews?

they take it as a virtue. They dress like them, use non Jewish names etc. This is their hashkafa. Don't let them know that you are different in anyway.

[Menachem613]

Yes but generally are deeply ashamed of yidishkeit in effort to blend in and become a light to the nations...

I don't think they are ashamed of Yiddishkeit; they are ashamed to be confused with chareidim.

[henche]

You like my fifth poll option? Because that's what I would do if I had a ring.