Poll

Do you shake hands with the opposite gender at work?

Yes, and I work in an environment where shaking hands is "a must".
19 (17.3%)
No, and I work in an environment where shaking hands is "a must".
21 (19.1%)
Yes, and I don't work in an environment where shaking hands is "a must"
19 (17.3%)
No, and I don't work in an environment where shaking hands is "a must"
43 (39.1%)
I wear a ring, and I like to take it off and spin it on my desk.
8 (7.3%)

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Re: Married men wear a ring to the office?
« Reply #500 on: January 17, 2014, 12:00:14 PM »
Question, do the charaidim in the room think its ok to oppose secular education, including college, then collect tzedaka from the people who earn more because they went to college?

Thats such a typical MO/mizrachi bouges claim.

99% of ppl in BP aren't getting/living on tzedakah and for sure not from the modern orthodox.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2014, 12:04:14 PM by mgarfin »

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Re: Married men wear a ring to the office?
« Reply #501 on: January 17, 2014, 12:00:48 PM »
Question, do the charaidim in the room think its ok to oppose secular education, including college, then collect tzedaka from the people who earn more because they went to college?

Am i aloud to disagree with that quote?

Yes, I think on an individual level YMMV.  But, I think you'd agree that overall the avg MO who attended college has a better chance of earning a higher income than one in a more RW community who didn't attend college. 

I think shlaros means that due to going to college, the community as a whole is more well-off than communities that look down on college.

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Re: Married men wear a ring to the office?
« Reply #502 on: January 17, 2014, 12:06:53 PM »
The OU, a MO Hechsher is one of the most reliable Hechsherim out there. Some people have highter standards for Cholov Yisroel, Bishul Yisroel etc. does that mean we look down on the OU? It just means we don't rely on certain Heterim which are perfectly acceptable to others, each one at his level...

Regarding hechsherim, it's just one example, and we can argue about that, it's not only that the OU uses heteirim, there are some people who would eat anything with a "Heimishe" (read: Hebrew lettering) hechsher, even if they knew nothing about said hechsher, but wouldn't touch OU with a ten stick pole, or eat out of an MO's kitchen.

The OU is not a MO hechsher. I wouldn't consider Rav Belsky MO. It is part of an organization that has MO components though.
Ironicaly enough, even the "Heimishe" hechsherim rely on the OU. Certain international industrial products are only supervised by the OU. They are the only ones with the resources to certify them

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Re: Married men wear a ring to the office?
« Reply #503 on: January 17, 2014, 12:07:09 PM »
You can stop right there, I for one think it's not OK.
There's also a difference between holding that it's okay to go to college in order to make a living, and holding that secular education is integral to being the best person you can be.

ETA: Didn't mean to quote you Moishel, meant to quote shlaros.

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Re: Married men wear a ring to the office?
« Reply #504 on: January 17, 2014, 12:08:01 PM »
It's my community, my brothers, why should I not care?
Not why do you care about them, why do you care if they get a secular education or not?
Life isn't about checking the boxes. Nobody cares.

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Re: Married men wear a ring to the office?
« Reply #505 on: January 17, 2014, 12:10:18 PM »
The OU is not a MO hechsher. I wouldn't consider Rav Belsky MO. It is part of an organization that has MO components though.


TITCR. Kashrus division is the chareidi division of the OU. And in a bizarre twist, the chareidi division funds the MO enterprises of the rest of it.

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Re: Married men wear a ring to the office?
« Reply #506 on: January 17, 2014, 12:10:27 PM »
Are you familiar with the gelatin issue?
no.please enlighten us
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Re: Married men wear a ring to the office?
« Reply #507 on: January 17, 2014, 12:14:28 PM »
(Chabad is not REALLY chasidic, you knew that, right? ;))
Really need to go down here again?
You're so sure that only chagas chasidim have the right path to spread the wellsprings of the BS"T?
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Married men wear a ring to the office?
« Reply #508 on: January 17, 2014, 12:14:49 PM »
Yes, I think on an individual level YMMV.  But, I think you'd agree that overall the avg MO who attended college has a better chance of earning a higher income than one in a more RW community who didn't attend college. 

I think shlaros means that due to going to college, the community as a whole is more well-off than communities that look down on college.

LA is correct.

The are obviously ppl who are incredibly successful without education, but its on average.

and I have no idea how ppl support themselves.  I also no that MO ppl don't go to willamsburg asking for $$ to support our schools and shuls, but i no that ppl from RW yeshivos come to teaneck all the time (i see them, they knock on my door).


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Re: Married men wear a ring to the office?
« Reply #509 on: January 17, 2014, 12:15:36 PM »
Am i aloud to disagree with that quote?
Not aloud. Only quietly.:P
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Re: Married men wear a ring to the office?
« Reply #510 on: January 17, 2014, 12:16:21 PM »
Really need to go down here again?
You're so sure that only chagas chasidim have the right path to spread the wellsprings of the BS"T?
Wasn't he joking? Hence the wink.

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Re: Married men wear a ring to the office?
« Reply #511 on: January 17, 2014, 12:18:46 PM »
Wow, what're interesting read.  I fell behind and had to catch up on 10 pages.  There were a number of things I wanted to quote nod comment on but I didn't bother because how do you quote something from 10 pages ago?

I was surprised no one quoted the infamous NYT article from 11 years ago from that groisse chic hem randi cohen.

The courteous and competent real-estate agent I'd just hired to rent my house shocked and offended me when, after we signed our contract, he refused to shake my hand, saying that as an Orthodox Jew he did not touch women. As a feminist, I oppose sex discrimination of all sorts. However, I also support freedom of religious expression. How do I balance these conflicting values? Should I tear up our contract? J.L., New York

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/27/magazine/27ETHICIST.html

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Re: Married men wear a ring to the office?
« Reply #512 on: January 17, 2014, 12:21:25 PM »
Wow, what're interesting read.  I fell behind and had to catch up on 10 pages.  There were a number of things I wanted to quote nod comment on but I didn't bother because how do you quote something from 10 pages ago?

I was surprised no one quoted the infamous NYT article from 11 years ago from that groisse chic hem randi cohen.

The courteous and competent real-estate agent I'd just hired to rent my house shocked and offended me when, after we signed our contract, he refused to shake my hand, saying that as an Orthodox Jew he did not touch women. As a feminist, I oppose sex discrimination of all sorts. However, I also support freedom of religious expression. How do I balance these conflicting values? Should I tear up our contract? J.L., New York

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/27/magazine/27ETHICIST.html

I am dumber for reading that article
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Re: Married men wear a ring to the office?
« Reply #513 on: January 17, 2014, 12:21:33 PM »
Really need to go down here again?
You're so sure that only chagas chasidim have the right path to spread the wellsprings of the BS"T?
Dan, others have said it too, it's time to install a sarcasm font.

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Re: Married men wear a ring to the office?
« Reply #514 on: January 17, 2014, 12:21:45 PM »
LA is correct.

The are obviously ppl who are incredibly successful without education, but its on average.

and I have no idea how ppl support themselves.  I also no that MO ppl don't go to willamsburg asking for $$ to support our schools and shuls, but i no that ppl from RW yeshivos come to teaneck all the time (i see them, they knock on my door).
Yeshivos is a bad example. If someone is asking for money because they choose to learn, it doesn't matter whether they support secular education or not, your money is supporting the learning, not the 'not going to college'. If however they can't make a living and the only reason is because they refuse to go to college, then maybe I can see the irony.

Basically what you're saying is that the reason they're in the position of asking for your support is because of their shita of not going to college. Doesn't sound right when put that way, but that's what it comes down to.

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Re: Married men wear a ring to the office?
« Reply #515 on: January 17, 2014, 12:21:50 PM »
I am dumber for reading that article
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Re: Married men wear a ring to the office?
« Reply #516 on: January 17, 2014, 12:22:24 PM »
Dan, others have said it too, it's time to install a sarcasm font.

Or just don't write anything that you think people will take seriously

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Re: Married men wear a ring to the office?
« Reply #517 on: January 17, 2014, 12:25:45 PM »
Wow, what're interesting read.  I fell behind and had to catch up on 10 pages.  There were a number of things I wanted to quote nod comment on but I didn't bother because how do you quote something from 10 pages ago?

I was surprised no one quoted the infamous NYT article from 11 years ago from that groisse chic hem randi cohen.

The courteous and competent real-estate agent I'd just hired to rent my house shocked and offended me when, after we signed our contract, he refused to shake my hand, saying that as an Orthodox Jew he did not touch women. As a feminist, I oppose sex discrimination of all sorts. However, I also support freedom of religious expression. How do I balance these conflicting values? Should I tear up our contract? J.L., New York

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/27/magazine/27ETHICIST.html

Great find.  I don't agree with the response at all, even though I was one of the proponents of shaking hands in a business context.  Yet, you have to admit that these are the messages we're sending even though in no way, shape, or form do we want to offend them in any capacity.

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Re: Married men wear a ring to the office?
« Reply #518 on: January 17, 2014, 12:28:55 PM »
I was surprised no one quoted the infamous NYT article from 11 years ago from that groisse chic hem randi cohen.
Meant to post it, was the first thing I thought of when I read the thread.  That response created quite a stir in the jewish media back then.

Dan, others have said it too, it's time to install a sarcasm font.
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Re: Married men wear a ring to the office?
« Reply #519 on: January 17, 2014, 12:29:42 PM »
LA is correct.

The are obviously ppl who are incredibly successful without education, but its on average.

and I have no idea how ppl support themselves.  I also no that MO ppl don't go to willamsburg asking for $$ to support our schools and shuls, but i no that ppl from RW yeshivos come to teaneck all the time (i see them, they knock on my door).

Would be interesting if they tried.