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Life insurance: If there is someone is relying on your income, you need life insurance.
Your wife should also be insured, even if she doesn't work.  The need to insure her comes from the expenses of replacing her for childcare and housework. And if she does work (or is the breadwinner), then you need to insure her for income replacement - don’t be too macho to insure her.

How much to get?
First figure out how much you live on for real.

One school of thought is to get enough life insurance that you don't use up that payout, only live on the income that money generates.  So to make $80,000 of income at 5%, you need an initial investment (insurance amount) of $1,600,000 or over 1.5 million dollars! This piece of advice makes very little sense in today's low interest rate environment - since to chase a 5% return you need to risk the principal.

A better plan would be to estimate how many years of income replacement or expense coverage you need for each spouse. A big part of the need for income comes from child related expenses, which will end after the children reach a certain age. Or, at younger ages it is reasonable to expect that a widow/widower could get remarried, and therefore won't need as many years. Take all this into consideration and consult a financial adviser if you can afford it.

Another plan.  She'll be able to go to school, or otherwise get set up for a high paying job with a few years of full support.  So you only need a few years’ worth of income.  Let's say $80,000 X 5 years = $400,000.  Realize that her expenses without a husband might be higher than now as a couple.  (babysitter, tutors, etc) 


Term insurance vs Whole life
Term insurance is the cheapest and simplest.  You pay a premium and  if chv”sh the insured person dies, the beneficiary gets the insurance amount. The higher the risk a person is, the higher the premium.  So people with worse health  will pay more than healthy people for the same amount of insurance, and older people will pay more than younger people.
Level term.  One popular type of term insurance has a level premium for a fixed number of years. Many people prefer this to the traditional type of term insurance where the premium each each year pays for coverage only in that year (and as a result the premiums increase every year, because you are aging). In contrast, a level premium term insurance policy has an unchanging premium amount that is guaranteed for a specific number of years. As a result of the design you are overpaying in the early years of the policy to subsidize your cost in the later years. Popular guarantee periods are 10, 20 or 30 years.  As with any insurance, it pays to get one while you are healthy to lock in the lowest rate possible (in general, health only declines, you rarely hear of people getting healthier with age).
Whole life has a level premium that is guaranteed not to increase for as long as you live. Because of insurance laws in the US, this type of insurance policy must always have a "cash value", which is the amount of money you get back if you cancel the policy. That makes Whole Life a much more expensive choice relative to pure insurance coverage (where you'd get nothing back if you cancel) and therefore a bad choice for most people who are not rich (this is complicated to explain in great detail, but it is an effective summary of who is most likely to see good value in buying Whole Life). One fringe benefit of having a cash value in Whole Life is that you have saved money which can be used for your retirement or any other purpose if you are still alive.  For most people though, other savings vehicles will be better.
Universal life is very similar to whole life, in that it is meant to provide insurance coverage for as long as you live (as opposed to Term, which is meant to for a short to medium period of time). The most important difference is that the premium rates for Universal Life are not guaranteed, unlike Whole Life which is completely guaranteed. The concept behind Universal Life is that the insurance company tells you all the charges you are paying for and lets you pay as much or as little as you want for the coverage. Anything extra that you pay goes into an account that can earn interest, and as long as that account doesn't run out of money you stay insured.
Variable Life is an offshoot of Universal Life. The difference is that instead of the extra money going into an account that earns interest, you can choose to invest the extra money in mutual funds. Take my word as an expert in insurance that Variable Universal Life is only for the most investment oriented people (meaning that they barely care at all about the insurance part of the policy). If you are trying to decide on Term or Variable, the answer is always Term.

How long a Term Insurance companies make tons of money on people who buy 30 year terms and then let it lapse after 10 years, since they paid 30 year rates for those 10 years.  Consider a long term Term the equivalent of insuring against the possibility you will be uninsurable in 10 years.  Consider also that you would be able to convert the short term Term into a whole life policy at that time regardless of insurability.

Life insurance has some very favorable tax treatment on the cash value (or account value), which is a big selling point, especially for people in certain tax brackets who have all but run out of tax advantaged places to save money. The exact details are very technical and could not be fairly explained without making this wiki extremely long.

Reevaluate your situation and the amount of insurance periodically.  As things change- income, spending, family additions-  the amount of coverage you need will need tweaking.

In addition to buying insurance, don't forget to set up plans for how your beneficiaries can use the insurance money to live with their needs taken care of. Providing for your family in case of a tragic event is perhaps as selfless an act as a person can do, don't do it halfway! Make sure there will be money AND a plan for how to live on it. In my experience I have seen all types of unqualified people get involved with "helping" a family live off huge amounts of money and getting it wrong 10 times out of 10.

Plan for guardians to care for your children if cv"sh both parents are unavailable.


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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #140 on: February 02, 2014, 12:43:12 PM »
Yes, its open in front of me.
And...
Again it's not for the hamon am, but if someone is on such a level they don't need to worry about these things
Life isn't about checking the boxes. Nobody cares.

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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #141 on: February 02, 2014, 12:45:44 PM »
And...
Again it's not for the hamon am, but if someone is on such a level they don't need to worry about these things

It doesnt say that a person should not get a job and rely on Hashem to take care of everything. As far as I can tell its a cause and effect if this then that, nothing about relying on this idea. If you want we can agree to disagree.

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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #142 on: February 02, 2014, 01:03:51 PM »
Facts on the ground are that there are many who do dedicate their lives to learning and are somehow not starving. They don't have jobs or careers.  Somehow they manage and are arguably just as happy as those in the rat race.
 I'm not saying that everyone is "rouiy" for this, but its definitely legitimate and works!

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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #143 on: February 02, 2014, 01:36:26 PM »
Facts on the ground are that there are many who do dedicate their lives to learning and are somehow not starving. They don't have jobs or careers.  Somehow they manage and are arguably just as happy as those in the rat race.
 I'm not saying that everyone is "rouiy" for this, but its definitely legitimate and works!

Still don't think that means they shouldn't buy life insurance.

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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #144 on: February 02, 2014, 01:45:25 PM »
Still don't think that means they shouldn't buy life insurance.
I don't either.

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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #145 on: February 02, 2014, 01:52:14 PM »
Still don't think that means they shouldn't buy life insurance.
How is someone who completely dedicated himself to Torah and can only afford bread and water supposed to pay for life insurance
Life isn't about checking the boxes. Nobody cares.

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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #146 on: February 02, 2014, 01:57:13 PM »
Not sure if it was mentioned here, but if your employer pays your life insurance you may want to make sure the premiums are paid with post-tax dollars.

If it's paid with pre-tax dollars, if c"v it is paid out, it will be taxed. Assuming you have a large-ish policy, that would put the beneficiary in the highest tax bracket.
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AFAIK you are referring to a choice one has with disability insurance, as what you mentioned is difficult to do with life ins...
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I'm referring to life ins. Its what my tax professional advised me

Barryg is correct, life insurance benefits will almost never be taxable. The only thing that may be taxed if paid by your employer, is a tax on the premiums of group term life above 50k of coverage, however the death benefit itself is excluded from income tax.

@David you should definitely ask your tax professional to look it up again.
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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #147 on: February 02, 2014, 02:02:22 PM »
How is someone who completely dedicated himself to Torah and can only afford bread and water supposed to pay for life insurance

Your post was not about being able to afford it, you said that one should have bitachon and not buy life insurance. I can't have a discussion if you are going to keep changing the subject.

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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #148 on: February 02, 2014, 02:47:28 PM »


@David you should definitely ask your tax professional to look it up again.

Yes David, why didn't you ask a tax professional?

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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #149 on: February 02, 2014, 03:02:36 PM »
How is someone who completely dedicated himself to Torah and can only afford bread and water supposed to pay for life insurance
BMG has a basic group policy, 250k at IIRC $200 a year.
There is the option to deduct $3.47 from each kollel check if you can afford it.
Its to pay for the funeral and kick start the fundraising campaign  :P

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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #150 on: February 02, 2014, 03:06:02 PM »
BMG has a basic group policy, 250k at IIRC $200 a year.
There is the option to deduct $3.47 from each kollel check if you can afford it.
Its to pay for the funeral and kick start the fundraising campaign  :P
lol

Funny way to put it. I also find it pretty ironic that the policy is so small, but this policy is a policy that no medical exam is required - which people that wouldn't be eligible to get onto standard policies could have.

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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #151 on: February 02, 2014, 03:08:15 PM »
lol

Funny way to put it. I also find it pretty ironic that the policy is so small, but this policy is a policy that no medical exam is required - which people that wouldn't be eligible to get onto standard policies could have.
Yeah, its also a large group of certain age and demographic.

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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #152 on: February 02, 2014, 03:11:46 PM »
Yes David, why didn't you ask a tax professional?
Maybe he asked a lawyer instead.  :P
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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #153 on: February 02, 2014, 03:17:30 PM »
Barryg is correct, life insurance benefits will almost never be taxable. The only thing that may be taxed if paid by your employer, is a tax on the premiums of group term life above 50k of coverage, however the death benefit itself is excluded from income tax.

@David you should definitely ask your tax professional to look it up again.
Or his tax professional should teach us... I for one am all ears...
Yes David, why didn't you ask a tax professional?
Am I'm sure the tax professionals would want to learn new tricks...

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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #154 on: February 02, 2014, 03:19:15 PM »
Maybe he asked a lawyer instead.  :P
Life insurance proceeds paid by an employer from pre tax dollars may be taxable. This is generally not the case though.

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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #155 on: February 02, 2014, 03:21:04 PM »
Life insurance proceeds paid by an employer from pre tax dollars may be taxable. This is generally not the case though.
We know the general, if you know the loopholes please share...

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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #156 on: February 02, 2014, 03:24:55 PM »
How is someone who completely dedicated himself to Torah and can only afford bread and water supposed to pay for life insurance
Then he should go collecting for some money to pay for it, so someone else doesn't have to do that for his family if something would have happened to him C"V!

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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #157 on: February 02, 2014, 03:30:57 PM »
Life insurance proceeds paid by an employer from pre tax dollars may be taxable. This is generally not the case though.
Can you explain in which cases group term life death benefits are subject to income tax?

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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #158 on: February 02, 2014, 03:34:46 PM »
BMG has a basic group policy, 250k at IIRC $200 a year.
There is the option to deduct $3.47 from each kollel check if you can afford it.

The premium is ~$200/yr but the yeshiva subsidizes it, so a student only has to pay $100/year for 250k coverage.

The student body is generally young, so they can typically get good term rates once they leave the yeshiva and purchase their own policy.

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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #159 on: February 02, 2014, 03:47:54 PM »
Can you explain in which cases group term life death benefits are subject to income tax?
Honestly I can't!
I initially thought that LI proceeds are always excluded from income to beneficiaries, per s101.
After seeing Davids post I googled it and it does seem that some "tax advisers" say the same thing.
(They may be referring to employer owned policies where the employer is the beneficiary? In that case there are definitely exceptions if premiums were deducted.)