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Life insurance: If there is someone is relying on your income, you need life insurance.
Your wife should also be insured, even if she doesn't work.  The need to insure her comes from the expenses of replacing her for childcare and housework. And if she does work (or is the breadwinner), then you need to insure her for income replacement - don’t be too macho to insure her.

How much to get?
First figure out how much you live on for real.

One school of thought is to get enough life insurance that you don't use up that payout, only live on the income that money generates.  So to make $80,000 of income at 5%, you need an initial investment (insurance amount) of $1,600,000 or over 1.5 million dollars! This piece of advice makes very little sense in today's low interest rate environment - since to chase a 5% return you need to risk the principal.

A better plan would be to estimate how many years of income replacement or expense coverage you need for each spouse. A big part of the need for income comes from child related expenses, which will end after the children reach a certain age. Or, at younger ages it is reasonable to expect that a widow/widower could get remarried, and therefore won't need as many years. Take all this into consideration and consult a financial adviser if you can afford it.

Another plan.  She'll be able to go to school, or otherwise get set up for a high paying job with a few years of full support.  So you only need a few years’ worth of income.  Let's say $80,000 X 5 years = $400,000.  Realize that her expenses without a husband might be higher than now as a couple.  (babysitter, tutors, etc) 


Term insurance vs Whole life
Term insurance is the cheapest and simplest.  You pay a premium and  if chv”sh the insured person dies, the beneficiary gets the insurance amount. The higher the risk a person is, the higher the premium.  So people with worse health  will pay more than healthy people for the same amount of insurance, and older people will pay more than younger people.
Level term.  One popular type of term insurance has a level premium for a fixed number of years. Many people prefer this to the traditional type of term insurance where the premium each each year pays for coverage only in that year (and as a result the premiums increase every year, because you are aging). In contrast, a level premium term insurance policy has an unchanging premium amount that is guaranteed for a specific number of years. As a result of the design you are overpaying in the early years of the policy to subsidize your cost in the later years. Popular guarantee periods are 10, 20 or 30 years.  As with any insurance, it pays to get one while you are healthy to lock in the lowest rate possible (in general, health only declines, you rarely hear of people getting healthier with age).
Whole life has a level premium that is guaranteed not to increase for as long as you live. Because of insurance laws in the US, this type of insurance policy must always have a "cash value", which is the amount of money you get back if you cancel the policy. That makes Whole Life a much more expensive choice relative to pure insurance coverage (where you'd get nothing back if you cancel) and therefore a bad choice for most people who are not rich (this is complicated to explain in great detail, but it is an effective summary of who is most likely to see good value in buying Whole Life). One fringe benefit of having a cash value in Whole Life is that you have saved money which can be used for your retirement or any other purpose if you are still alive.  For most people though, other savings vehicles will be better.
Universal life is very similar to whole life, in that it is meant to provide insurance coverage for as long as you live (as opposed to Term, which is meant to for a short to medium period of time). The most important difference is that the premium rates for Universal Life are not guaranteed, unlike Whole Life which is completely guaranteed. The concept behind Universal Life is that the insurance company tells you all the charges you are paying for and lets you pay as much or as little as you want for the coverage. Anything extra that you pay goes into an account that can earn interest, and as long as that account doesn't run out of money you stay insured.
Variable Life is an offshoot of Universal Life. The difference is that instead of the extra money going into an account that earns interest, you can choose to invest the extra money in mutual funds. Take my word as an expert in insurance that Variable Universal Life is only for the most investment oriented people (meaning that they barely care at all about the insurance part of the policy). If you are trying to decide on Term or Variable, the answer is always Term.

How long a Term Insurance companies make tons of money on people who buy 30 year terms and then let it lapse after 10 years, since they paid 30 year rates for those 10 years.  Consider a long term Term the equivalent of insuring against the possibility you will be uninsurable in 10 years.  Consider also that you would be able to convert the short term Term into a whole life policy at that time regardless of insurability.

Life insurance has some very favorable tax treatment on the cash value (or account value), which is a big selling point, especially for people in certain tax brackets who have all but run out of tax advantaged places to save money. The exact details are very technical and could not be fairly explained without making this wiki extremely long.

Reevaluate your situation and the amount of insurance periodically.  As things change- income, spending, family additions-  the amount of coverage you need will need tweaking.

In addition to buying insurance, don't forget to set up plans for how your beneficiaries can use the insurance money to live with their needs taken care of. Providing for your family in case of a tragic event is perhaps as selfless an act as a person can do, don't do it halfway! Make sure there will be money AND a plan for how to live on it. In my experience I have seen all types of unqualified people get involved with "helping" a family live off huge amounts of money and getting it wrong 10 times out of 10.

Plan for guardians to care for your children if cv"sh both parents are unavailable.


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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #360 on: March 17, 2015, 03:09:02 PM »
1 mil is enough to support a family for 20 years? am i missing something?
no. pple need more, however that's better than nothing --  was written in response to CM:

1.5-2 for a basic family? Some don't make that in a lifetime.
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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #361 on: March 17, 2015, 04:24:29 PM »
1 mil is enough to support a family for 20 years? am i missing something?

It is.

It's all tax free, plus you're eligible for every social program under the sun as a single mother, plus ain't nobody harassing the almanah for tuition.


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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #362 on: March 17, 2015, 04:24:50 PM »
It is.

It's all tax free, plus you're eligible for every social program under the sun as a single mother, plus ain't nobody harassing the almanah for tuition.
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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #365 on: March 17, 2015, 05:34:25 PM »
this way, the $1 mill will be gone in 20 years (or possibly less).
What happens afterwards?
The family is still there, but the money isn't.
In 20 years the youngest is more than 20 years old, so the family shouldn't need to continue living on it.  Only the almono should need full support. (Maybe by then she'll have a job to help with expenses.)  $1 mil / 20 years is $50,000   a year.  If it was invested well it will be more money.  If she had  higher expenses, it won't last that long. 
But  $1mil policy is a ball park figure to keep a family off the tzedoko pages.  And a $1mil  (20 / 30 year level) term policy is affordable in almost any income bracket.  In fact, if someone makes too little to afford a policy, he probably needs less insurance because his family know how to live on less.
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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #366 on: March 17, 2015, 06:17:06 PM »
In 20 years the youngest is more than 20 years old, so the family shouldn't need to continue living on it.  Only the almono should need full support. (Maybe by then she'll have a job to help with expenses.)  $1 mil / 20 years is $50,000   a year.  If it was invested well it will be more money.  If she had  higher expenses, it won't last that long. 
But  $1mil policy is a ball park figure to keep a family off the tzedoko pages.  And a $1mil  (20 / 30 year level) term policy is affordable in almost any income bracket.  In fact, if someone makes too little to afford a policy, he probably needs less insurance because his family know how to live on less.
so you're assuming that after this insurance purchase, there will be no more kids born in the family, and that a low 20's child will be fully on their own. Uh huh.
Also, is the goal to just leave enough so that the family is off the tzedaka page?
Is that what a person really wants?
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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #367 on: March 17, 2015, 06:22:01 PM »
so you're assuming that after this insurance purchase, there will be no more kids born in the family, and that a low 20's child will be fully on their own. Uh huh.
Also, is the goal to just leave enough so that the family is off the tzedaka page?
Is that what a person really wants?
Not that they won't have more kids after they buy insurance! But from when the insured dies meaning that it will last 20yrs.

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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #368 on: March 17, 2015, 06:26:44 PM »
Not that they won't have more kids after they buy insurance! But from when the insured dies meaning that it will last 20yrs.
if another child is born afterwards, then more money would be needed for support.
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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #369 on: March 17, 2015, 06:35:37 PM »
if another child is born afterwards, then more money would be needed for support.
If that happens you go buy some more

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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #370 on: March 17, 2015, 06:39:11 PM »
this way, the $1 mill will be gone in 20 years (or possibly less).
What happens afterwards?
The family is still there, but the money isn't.

Yes, the money is gone, but so is the dependency. A single parent with toddlers or even teenagers might not be able to hold down a serious enough job to make ends meet. A single parent with children 20 and older should be able to, and should have no need for income replacement of the late spouse at that point.

Unless the person is unemployable or for some other reason unable to take responsibility for life, in which case they are a tzedaka case with or without insurance money. But that is not the norm.
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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #371 on: March 17, 2015, 06:43:37 PM »
It is.

It's all tax free, plus you're eligible for every social program under the sun as a single mother, plus ain't nobody harassing the almanah for tuition.

Exactly. 50k after tax and tuition goes a long long way. Plus social security and any welfare as mentioned.

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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #372 on: March 17, 2015, 06:45:40 PM »
so you're assuming that after this insurance purchase, there will be no more kids born in the family, and that a low 20's child will be fully on their own. Uh huh.
Also, is the goal to just leave enough so that the family is off the tzedaka page?
Is that what a person really wants?
20 years after the insured dies, his youngest child is at minimum 20.   I'm talking support - not riches.  It may be prudent to take out more insurance.  But I'm saying that a minimum policy is affordable for everyone. 
(Is your goal to support the family or get the family rich?)
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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #373 on: March 17, 2015, 06:46:08 PM »
Yes, the money is gone, but so is the dependency. A single parent with toddlers or even teenagers might not be able to hold down a serious enough job to make ends meet. A single parent with children 20 and older should be able to, and should have no need for income replacement of the late spouse at that point.

Unless the person is unemployable or for some other reason unable to take responsibility for life, in which case they are a tzedaka case with or without insurance money. But that is not the norm.
So lets say this mother of 5 loses her husband at 35 and has a baby at home so your saying at 55 a lady with no education can just find a job just like that? To hire a girl out of school would be cheaper and better!

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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #374 on: March 17, 2015, 06:46:17 PM »
if another child is born afterwards, then more money would be needed for support.

True that after a child is born you should increase your coverage level. But no more kids should be born after a parent dies (shut up nitpickers).

50k a year could carry a single parent with up to 4 kids (in a lakewood type cost setting) when all else is taken into account.

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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #375 on: March 17, 2015, 06:55:09 PM »
So lets say this mother of 5 loses her husband at 35 and has a baby at home so your saying at 55 a lady with no education can just find a job just like that? To hire a girl out of school would be cheaper and better!
I'm saying that at minimum, a woman of 35 with 5 children can stay home with them for a few years. Then when the youngest is in school, 6 or fewer years later, she can start to  get some education, training, a career start of some sort.  She'll have money to live off for a few more years  so she can do the schooling part time.  And when they're in high school or something 10 or more years later, she can start getting a decent job.  So when that 35 year old woman is widowed for 20 years, she's built a life and personhood independent of her earlier marriage.  And she's not a helpless 55 year old going into the workforce for the first time.


The problem is for stay at home women who are widowed at 55.  They may be going back into the workforce for the first time in years and don't have the ability to make the income their husband did.
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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #376 on: March 17, 2015, 07:02:04 PM »
So lets say this mother of 5 loses her husband at 35 and has a baby at home so your saying at 55 a lady with no education can just find a job just like that? To hire a girl out of school would be cheaper and better!

She had 20 years to get herself a bloody education. If she didn't plan, then she can sit and learn.

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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #377 on: March 17, 2015, 07:16:57 PM »
She had 20 years to get herself a bloody education. If she didn't plan, then she can sit and learn.
Barely get through financially, balanced with raising kids and/or getting an education so that she will hopefully find a job when she has nothing left from her husband's insurance policy.

Is that what a guy would want for his wife?
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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #378 on: March 17, 2015, 07:21:08 PM »
Barely get through financially, balanced with raising kids and/or getting an education so that she will hopefully find a job when she has nothing left from her husband's insurance policy.

Is that what a guy would want for his wife?

I think you are overdramatizing the situation but OK. What would you rather see? More insurance coverage? Then I'll agree. My comment was addressed at the current practice, which is that some asskan takes the money and locks it up, only giving over interest each month, and collecting tzedaka for living expenses. That makes my blood boil and I bet the late spouses are rolling in their graves over it.

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Re: Do you have life insurance?
« Reply #379 on: March 17, 2015, 07:21:22 PM »
Barely get through financially, balanced with raising kids and/or getting an education so that she will hopefully find a job when she has nothing left from her husband's insurance policy.

Is that what a guy would want for his wife?
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