Making A Community In Hawaii

[12HRS]

Family is the even larger sticking point.  Half of the girls in Flatbush would simply never entertain moving OOT and away from "mommy and daddy and kosher pizza."

Don't worry there are only enough guys for half the girls in Flatbush anyways

[AJK]

Basically a girl that won't feel comfortable working in an office with a lot of Goyim.

So, combining the two comments:

Frum = uncomfortable working with goyim.

Please Gd tell me I'm misunderstanding something.

[Ergel]

The title of this tread is "Making a community in Hawaii".
MAKING being the operative word here.

The last 18 hours has seen posts focused primarily on what infrastructure exists and on what it lacks.
I thought the plan was to go and MAKE it ourselves? We open our own groceries; our own schools; create our own jobs.
Everyone knows that all the above exists in places like NY, NJ and OH. The goal is to create it for ourselves in sunny, tropical Hawaii.

I feel like people are losing sight of that and focusing on what it lacks rather than what we can build.

People are now having a serious discussion and not living in a fantasy

[sky121]

agreed but there are loads of jobs in speech and other therapies in ny. Do they exist oot?
I wouldn't mind moving oot and neither would my wife. Jobs are an issue for me and my wife needs some family around..
Edit, shouldn't all this be in the pro and cons thread .

Family around is definitely a concern. While you don't need to live around family to be happy it sure makes life a lot nicer.


I have a friend who moved to the Midwest from NY for his job and he has two siblings that ended up following a few years later and his wife has a sister who followed as well. It was mostly the cost of living that got them here.

[Ergel]

So, combining the two comments:

Frum = uncomfortable working with goyim.

Please Gd tell me I'm misunderstanding something.

Why are you surprised

[sky121]

So, combining the two comments:

Frum = uncomfortable working with goyim.

Please Gd tell me I'm misunderstanding something.

There are two kinds in my opinion. There are those who literally aren't comfortable around goyim and don't know what to do with themselves and then those who would just prefer working with Jewish folk.

[momo]

I think my biggest thing is just living in a generally calm and peaceful place.
I def don't need kosher restaurants. Though I do appreciate them when they're around. The truth is because of costs I don't eat out too much as it is.  Food at home tends to be healthier and tastier.

A lot of New Yorkers have recently moved to the midwest and so far I haven't met one that's ready to move back to NY.
Yes it's an adjustment and there are things you 'lose out' on but the pros outweigh the cons for most people.

Obviously most people who take the plunge, are because they want to get out of NY for whatever their reasons may be. Therefore it makes sense that they would not want to move back to ny. Now i do not know where you live, but as i said before if restaurants, and schools, and family, and weather are not that important to someone, than i can understand why someone could be happy elsewhere.

[Super Speed]

The title of this tread is "Making a community in Hawaii".
MAKING being the operative word here.

The last 18 hours has seen posts focused primarily on what infrastructure exists and on what it lacks.
I thought the plan was to go and MAKE it ourselves? We open our own groceries; our own schools; create our own jobs.
Everyone knows that all the above exists in places like NY, NJ and OH. The goal is to create it for ourselves in sunny, tropical Hawaii.

I feel like people are losing sight of that and focusing on what it lacks rather than what we can build.

We're trying to figure out what's important enough to take care of before we actually move there.

[cozmohoot]

Is it just me or does this place get a little on edge every Friday? 

yetzer hora lurks on Friday to shter our shabbos

[Super Speed]

So, combining the two comments:

Frum = uncomfortable working with goyim.

Please Gd tell me I'm misunderstanding something.

What's the problem? Most frum (as in yeshivish) girls I know won't/dont feel comfortable working amongst Goyim.

[Ergel]

What's the problem? Most frum girls I know won't/dont feel comfortable working amongst Goyim.

Duh. Everyone knows goyim have cooties

[sky121]

Obviously most people who take the plunge, are because they want to get out of NY for whatever their reasons may be. Therefore it makes sense that they would not want to move back to ny. Now i do not know where you live, but as i said before if restaurants, and schools, and family, and weather are not that important to someone, than i can understand why someone could be happy elsewhere.

Not necessarily. A lot ended up here for various reasons and many had to convince their spouse to try things out and everyone ended up loving it.
And I can def appreciate how big of an adjustment it can potentially be moving from NY to a quiet Midwest town.

[SamKey]

What's the problem? Most frum (as in yeshivish) girls I know won't/dont feel comfortable working amongst Goyim.

You do live in Lakewood...

[momo]

Not necessarily. A lot ended up here for various reasons and many had to convince their spouse to try things out and everyone ended up loving it.
And I can def appreciate how big of an adjustment it can potentially be moving from NY to a quiet Midwest town.

So we agree. Although to me weather would be uchh

[MC]

What's the problem? Most frum (as in yeshivish) girls I know won't/dont feel comfortable working amongst Goyim.

It's not necessarily a matter of comfort... I, for one, have no problem with non-Jews but would prefer working for Jewish people because it makes life a lot easier. I don't have to explain about being Shomer negiah or worry about leaving for shabbos/yom tov.

And it certainly makes it a lot simpler when I take off work to fly in for dating and there are no questions asked

[AJK]

There are two kinds in my opinion. There are those who literally aren't comfortable around goyim and don't know what to do with themselves and then those who would just prefer working with Jewish folk.

That may be, but to implicitly state that a girl is not or cannot be frum if she works with goyim (gasp!) is so sheltered and close-minded it'd be comical if it weren't so unnervingly sad.

What's the problem? Most frum (as in yeshivish) girls I know won't/dont feel comfortable working amongst Goyim.

What's the problem?

The problem is that your second sentence above has nothing to do with what we're discussing.

See the above response.

[Super Speed]

You do live in Lakewood...

Howd you figure that out?

[Super Speed]

Duh. Everyone knows goyim have cooties

I was just explaining for AJK.

[sky121]

You have to pick and choose I guess. This winters been exceptionally crazy. I''ve had a few moments where I thought to myself "Why in the world do we live here?" But honestly I have just two/three  places where I'd potentially ACTUALLY move to.    And some of them are still in the Midwest.

All the factors always have to play together. If money weren't an issue my list would be a bit bigger.

And if being Jewish weren't an issue...
.... The list would be a lot bigger.

[Super Speed]

That may be, but to implicitly state that a girl is not or cannot be frum if she works with goyim (gasp!) is so sheltered and close-minded it'd be comical if it weren't so unnervingly sad.

Where did anyone say that she can't be Frum if she works for Goyim??? All I stated was that most frum girls I know don't fell comfortable working with Goyim. You took this waaaaaaay outa context.