Making A Community In Hawaii

[CountValentine]

What's the problem? Most frum (as in yeshivish) girls I know won't/dont feel comfortable working amongst Goyim.

Duh. Everyone knows goyim have cooties

You all know the real reason but just won't admit it. 

[Super Speed]

You all know the real reason but just won't admit it. 

I don't even want to imagine where you're going with this!

[CountValentine]

I don't even want to imagine where you're going with this!

+1 

[momo]

You have to pick and choose I guess. This winters been exceptionally crazy. I''ve had a few moments where I thought to myself "Why in the world do we live here?" But honestly I have just two/three  places where I'd potentially ACTUALLY move to.    And some of them are still in the Midwest.

All the factors always have to play together. If money weren't an issue my list would be a bit bigger.

And if being Jewish weren't an issue...
.... The list would be a lot bigger.

I would say that in order to move from ny, Number 1 factor would be job security. I would need to know that i have a job where ever i would be going. Now the determining factor for where i would move to, would be weather,weather and weather;)

[AJK]

Where did anyone say that she can't be Frum if she works for Goyim??? All I stated was that most frum girls I know don't fell comfortable working with Goyim. You took this waaaaaaay outa context.

Sorry, but I didn't take anything out of context:

Now how about for a frum girl that wants to work, what are the job opportunities like?

I love this question.

As if a "frum" girl can only work in a BY as a preschool teacher.

Basically a girl that won't feel comfortable working in an office with a lot of Goyim.

Simple logic dictates you've defined a frum girl as someone who is not comfortable working with goyim.

I then asked if I'm misunderstanding you, which I hope I am.

[Super Speed]

Sorry, but I didn't take anything out of context:

I won't even respond anymore cause I am so darn lost.

[Super Speed]

Simple logic dictates you've defined a frum girl as someone who is not comfortable working with goyim.

Frum as in Yeshivish? Yes they don't feel comfortable but does that have to do with this?

That may be, but to implicitly state that a girl is not or cannot be frum if she works with goyim (gasp!) is so sheltered and close-minded it'd be comical if it weren't so unnervingly sad.

[AJK]

We'll chalk this up to:

Super Speed: "Of course I don't think a girl cannot be frum if she works with goyim. I just meant to say that the girls I KNOW prefer not to work with goyim for their own reasons. Are there jobs for girls like that in CLE, Dan?"

Glad we cleared that up 

[Super Speed]

We'll chalk this up to:

Super Speed: "Of course I don't think a girl cannot be frum if she works with goyim. I just meant to say that the girls I KNOW prefer not to work with goyim for their own reasons. Are there jobs for girls like that in CLE, Dan?"

Glad we cleared that up 

Gees thanks.
#sighofrelief

[Ergel]

I would say that in order to move from ny, Number 1 factor would be job security. I would need to know that i have a job where ever i would be going. Now the determining factor for where i would move to, would be weather,weather and weather;)

I personally moved out of NY having never had a job and no promise of a job (my wife did have one). While it took me a good few months, I found a job I could never have found in NY. It's ~15 minutes from my house. I get to work between 9 and 9:30 and leave between 5 and 5:30. On a rare day I stay until 6.

[MoGro17]

People are now having a serious discussion and not living in a fantasy

I accepted your critique and decided to let the discussion play out.

At this point, though, it doesn't seem very serious to me. The last 20 minutes saw a few people debating whether or not women would feel comfortable working with men. I assumed that all (or most) of them were men so I asked myself why they were deciding what a woman would feel, seeing as they are not women. The only confirmed woman, "MC", said something to the effect that she'd prefer a Jewish environment but it's not a deal breaker.

Then it degraded to a "That's not what I said" or "All I meant was..."
I believe that this serious discussion of yours is dead.

As to your point about living in Hawaii being a fantasy, I would tell you that, not to long ago, it was nothing more than a pipe-dream to be able to travel all across the world IN FIRST CLASS and stay in FIRST CLASS suites in the best hotels for free. Or, to be more exact, a couple of bucks in VR fees.

A fantasy is only a fantasy until someone comes along and makes it a reality. Dan and some of the veterans here did it for travel; now we are discussing doing it for a Jewish community in Hawaii.

P.s. Lakewood was created the same way. As was Brooklyn. So can Hawaii.

[Ergel]

LOL

[Achas Veachas]

I personally moved out of NY having never had a job and no promise of a job (my wife did have one). While it took me a good few months, I found a job I could never have found in NY. It's ~15 minutes from my house. I get to work between 9 and 9:30 and leave between 5 and 5:30. On a rare day I stay until 6.

Easy to pick up if you don't have a job, but for someone with a job to pick up and leave without any prospects is pretty hard.

[Ergel]

Easy to pick up if you don't have a job, but for someone with a job to pick up and leave without any prospects is pretty hard.

Fair enough

[momo]

You had a job in ny, and moved elsewhere without having one? Wow! You are a lot braver than i am. (Or just have a lot richer parents or in-laws )
ETA. looks like AV beat me to it.

[Super Speed]

I accepted your critique and decided to let the discussion play out.

At this point, though, it doesn't seem very serious to me. The last 20 minutes saw a few people debating whether or not women would feel comfortable working with men. I assumed that all (or most) of them were men so I asked myself why they were deciding what a woman would feel, seeing as they are not women. The only confirmed woman, "MC", said something to the effect that she'd prefer a Jewish environment but it's not a deal breaker.

Then it degraded to a "That's not what I said" or "All I meant was..."
I believe that this serious discussion of yours is dead.

Threads do go off topic at times, but now it seems all is clear for it to go back to the right discussion.

[Achas Veachas]

Wow this discussion went way OT since I was last on, back on topic, I call dibs on being the Shliach there

[Super Speed]

Wow this discussion went way OT since I was last on, back on topic, I call dibs on being the Shliach there

As this continues playing out it doesn't seem we'll need a shliach! Maybe the next kinus hashluchim will be there!

[Dan]

I then asked if I'm misunderstanding you, which I hope I am.

You forgot the bigoted RTMd post he made last night
Do LW schools teach that non-jews are boogie monsters or something?

Ya'll need to get out more. Big world out there.
Beginning to understand more of the DDMS comments. Makes me even happier not to live in the TS area.

[Dan]

LOL

-1.
I don't see this has to be so far from the realm of possibility.
Probably would take chabad guys though as shabbos makes this a non-starter for most of you.  And chabad guys in general seem more willing to pick up and move.