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Re: So what did you get your wife today?
« Reply #100 on: February 17, 2014, 02:14:46 PM »



So because  he made a  ??
Yes. I have no problem with someone who wants to 'celebrate' VD (assuming they or their Rov hold it's mutar), especially if they feel it's important to their shalom bayis. But don't tell me that VD should be to shalom bayis what Pesach is to zchiras yetzias mitzrayim.

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Re: So what did you get your wife today?
« Reply #101 on: February 17, 2014, 02:19:35 PM »
The Torah did not specify special days for dancing with the Torah either, that doesn't make it a terrible idea.

Yes. I have no problem with someone who wants to 'celebrate' VD (assuming they or their Rov hold it's mutar), especially if they feel it's important to their shalom bayis. But don't tell me that VD should be to shalom bayis what Pesach is to zchiras yetzias mitzrayim.
Now you're already putting words into my mouth.

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Re: So what did you get your wife today?
« Reply #102 on: February 17, 2014, 02:33:34 PM »
The Torah did not specify special days for dancing with the Torah either, that doesn't make it a terrible idea.
Now you're already putting words into my mouth.
Ultimately, the primary practices of our yomim tovim are proscribed at one level or another.

It's not for you or I to decide that the way for the masses to get to better shalom bayis is VD. If a person feels that it's the best thing for their marriage, of course they should make a big thing out of VD (assuming it's mutar). But it's not integral to shalom bayis, and no one should be made to feel like they have to participate in VD, just because that's what everyone else does.

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Re: So what did you get your wife today?
« Reply #103 on: February 17, 2014, 03:01:52 PM »
Ultimately, the primary practices of our yomim tovim are proscribed at one level or another.

It's not for you or I to decide that the way for the masses to get to better shalom bayis is VD. If a person feels that it's the best thing for their marriage, of course they should make a big thing out of VD (assuming it's mutar). But it's not integral to shalom bayis, and no one should be made to feel like they have to participate in VD, just because that's what everyone else does.

No but taking the time to appreciate your spouse def is helpful to Shalom Bayis.
I'm not into VD specifically.  But I do make a big deal of bdays, Anniversaries, Thanksgiving, fathers day, Mothers day etc.   And of course if your wife wants you to acknowledge VD then go for it!
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Re: So what did you get your wife today?
« Reply #104 on: February 17, 2014, 03:03:38 PM »
Ultimately, the primary practices of our yomim tovim are proscribed at one level or another.

It's not for you or I to decide that the way for the masses to get to better shalom bayis is VD. If a person feels that it's the best thing for their marriage, of course they should make a big thing out of VD (assuming it's mutar). But it's not integral to shalom bayis, and no one should be made to feel like they have to participate in VD, just because that's what everyone else does.
And you're telling that to me why?

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Re: So what did you get your wife today?
« Reply #105 on: February 17, 2014, 03:04:36 PM »
Can someone tell me what thread this is?  ::) ::) ::)
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Re: So what did you get your wife today?
« Reply #106 on: February 17, 2014, 03:11:10 PM »
Scroll up to the top of the page, I think the thread topic is somewhere there... something about converts.

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Re: So what did you get your wife today?
« Reply #107 on: February 17, 2014, 03:13:28 PM »
Wow this is way too serious, I feel like I'm reading some Lakewood frumie paper. Let's simplify it: if it's important to your spouse or significant other - do it, if it isn't then don't. It doesn't matter if it's a hallmark holiday or if you make them feel special every day, if it means something to them put in the extra time or money.

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Re: So what did you get your wife today?
« Reply #108 on: February 17, 2014, 04:01:08 PM »
The Torah did not specify special days for dancing with the Torah either, that doesn't make it a terrible idea.
Now you're already putting words into my mouth.
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Re: So what did you get your wife today?
« Reply #109 on: February 17, 2014, 04:04:33 PM »
In Torah shebaal pe
Pray tell where in Toshb"p does it say to dance with Torahs on Simchas Torah?

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Re: So what did you get your wife today?
« Reply #110 on: February 17, 2014, 05:08:25 PM »
But don't tell me that VD should be to shalom bayis what Pesach is to zchiras yetzias mitzrayim.
Don't take everything so literal, he made a good point.
Now. Move. On.
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Re: So what did you get your wife today?
« Reply #111 on: February 17, 2014, 05:20:17 PM »
Don't take everything so literal, he made a good point.
Now. Move. On.
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All I said is that the typical frummy answer why not to celebrate VD, MD, FD, etc. is that we don't need one special day to do it, because we do it so well every day. I just said that that reason can just as well apply to most jewish holidays, so we see that the Torah didn't see a contradiction between having to do something every day, and putting away a specific day to celebrate that.

I never told anyone to celebrate anything, so please go attack someone else's straw man.

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Re: So what did you get your wife today?
« Reply #113 on: February 17, 2014, 06:00:15 PM »
Pray tell where in Toshb"p does it say to dance with Torahs on Simchas Torah?
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Re: So what did you get your wife today?
« Reply #114 on: February 17, 2014, 06:11:54 PM »
Pray tell where in Toshb"p does it say to dance with Torahs on Simchas Torah?

From my Rosh Kollel Zatzal - There are only 2 places it says in Shulchan Aruch to dance; Simchas Tora and Kiddush Levana. I do not remember if it is Mechaber or N"K, should be easy to ask Rabbi Google, but gtg pack now.
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Re: So what did you get your wife today?
« Reply #115 on: February 17, 2014, 06:32:26 PM »
Can we merge every thread I start into the ethics/religion thread?
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Re: So what did you get your wife today?
« Reply #116 on: February 17, 2014, 06:36:48 PM »
Can we merge every thread I start into the ethics/religion thread?
Its so much fun to hijack a goys thread! :D


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Re: So what did you get your wife today?
« Reply #117 on: February 17, 2014, 06:39:59 PM »
Its so much fun to hijack a goys thread! :D
...but ever single one?  :'(
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Re: So what did you get your wife today?
« Reply #118 on: February 17, 2014, 06:42:44 PM »
Can we merge every thread I start into the ethics/religion thread?
You start threads about religious holidays
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Re: So what did you get your wife today?
« Reply #119 on: February 17, 2014, 06:42:55 PM »