A Flight to Nowhere? My Experience With a Fake Ticket from TLV to ATH

[Chachom]

They replied saying this is their proof that the flight did operate: https://www.planemapper.com/flights/4D2033 😕

Does anyone with experience know the best way to prove that a flight didn’t operate? There must be some official source or database to verify this. It’s tricky to prove a negative, but I’m hoping there’s a reliable way to confirm it was a no-show that day.

It doesn’t say anywhere there that it actually operated just says scheduled. If anything that’s a proof that it didn’t fly…

[YOSSI170]

It doesn’t say anywhere there that it actually operated just says scheduled. If anything that’s a proof that it didn’t fly…

Look on top, it says "ARRIVED 485 HOUR 27 MINUTES AGO"

[Chachom]

Look on top, it says "ARRIVED 485 HOUR 27 MINUTES AGO"

That is just an automated thing based on the scheduled time. Until you can find somewhere showing a flight route or ‘actual’ times it’s meaningless. (Even for Netanyahus plane you can find the exact route and times. Don’t know if that’s a chiddush or not.)

[Chachom]

Look on top, it says "ARRIVED 485 HOUR 27 MINUTES AGO"

Flight 4D2033 from Ben Gurion to Eleftherios Venizelos Intl data is collected from different sources. The data is for informational purposes only and PlaneMapper is not responsible for the accuracy and reliability of flight 4D2033 data.

[Alexsei]

Get someone to look it up here by ATH arrivals board
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=93896.new;topicseen#new

[Chachom]

Get someone to look it up here by ATH arrivals board
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=93896.new;topicseen#new

Flightradar doesn’t have the flight.

[Saulius]

They replied saying this is their proof that the flight did operate: https://www.planemapper.com/flights/4D2033 😕

Does anyone with experience know the best way to prove that a flight didn’t operate? There must be some official source or database to verify this. It’s tricky to prove a negative, but I’m hoping there’s a reliable way to confirm it was a no-show that day.

Just to clarify a few points that might help:

The PlaneMapper link only shows that the flight was scheduled — not that it actually flew. It doesn't include any real departure or landing time, nor the tail number used. That’s not proof of operation, only that it was on the timetable.

You can look up historical arrival/departure logs for airports. I checked April 2nd arrivals at Athens, and while there are multiple flights from TLV that day from other airlines, there’s nothing from this airline near the scheduled time of 4D2033 — not even close.

Flyyo operates only two Airbus A320-214 aircraft, with tail numbers YR-ADA and YR-ADC. You can trace every flight those aircraft flew on April 2nd via Flightradar24 and similar sites.

YR-ADA flew TLV to Bucharest (OTP) on April 1st as HiSky Europe flight H4236 (departure: 13:59, arrival: 16:05). On April 2nd, it flew OTP to Dublin and back. It didn’t return to TLV until April 6th.

YR-ADC flew TLV–SKG–TLV on April 1st (Thessaloniki), but had no recorded flights at all on April 2nd. On April 3rd, it flew TLV to Athens.
So unless Flyyo secretly operated 4D2033 with a phantom third plane or teleported the aircraft, it seems very clear the flight didn’t operate on April 2nd.

Also, for reference, even PlaneMapper states this clearly at the bottom of their page:

Disclaimer for 4D2033 Flight Radar Data:
Flight 4D2033 from Ben Gurion to Eleftherios Venizelos Intl data is collected from different sources. The data is for informational purposes only and PlaneMapper is not responsible for the accuracy and reliability of flight 4D2033 data.

[Emgee]

Just to clarify a few points that might help:

The PlaneMapper link only shows that the flight was scheduled — not that it actually flew. It doesn't include any real departure or landing time, nor the tail number used. That’s not proof of operation, only that it was on the timetable.

You can look up historical arrival/departure logs for airports. I checked April 2nd arrivals at Athens, and while there are multiple flights from TLV that day from other airlines, there’s nothing from this airline near the scheduled time of 4D2033 — not even close.

Flyyo operates only two Airbus A320-214 aircraft, with tail numbers YR-ADA and YR-ADC. You can trace every flight those aircraft flew on April 2nd via Flightradar24 and similar sites.

YR-ADA flew TLV to Bucharest (OTP) on April 1st as HiSky Europe flight H4236 (departure: 13:59, arrival: 16:05). On April 2nd, it flew OTP to Dublin and back. It didn’t return to TLV until April 6th.

YR-ADC flew TLV–SKG–TLV on April 1st (Thessaloniki), but had no recorded flights at all on April 2nd. On April 3rd, it flew TLV to Athens.
So unless Flyyo secretly operated 4D2033 with a phantom third plane or teleported the aircraft, it seems very clear the flight didn’t operate on April 2nd.

Also, for reference, even PlaneMapper states this clearly at the bottom of their page:

Disclaimer for 4D2033 Flight Radar Data:
Flight 4D2033 from Ben Gurion to Eleftherios Venizelos Intl data is collected from different sources. The data is for informational purposes only and PlaneMapper is not responsible for the accuracy and reliability of flight 4D2033 data.

Thanks this helps a lot. What's a good free website to look up historical airport logs?

[Saulius]

Thanks this helps a lot. What's a good free website to look up historical airport logs?

Most of these tracking sites (like Flightradar24) only give you 7 or 14 days of history unless you’ve got a subscription. If you need something older, just PM me — I’m happy to pull it and send you a PDF to save you the hassle.

For example, I checked April 2nd and saw all the private jets that departed TLV. (Whenever Admorim fly private, I’m always curious what kind of metal they’re flying on — and which company it was chartered through.)

- Embraer Legacy 650E 
- Gulfstream G280 
- Hawker 800 
- Beech King Air 350ER 

Basically, every single takeoff from TLV is tracked and publicly visible — private jets, cargo, even military flights (if their transponders are on). Tools like Flightradar24 and ADS-B Exchange pick up anything that starts taxiing. TLV is one of the most tightly monitored airports out there.

If one would ask, can a plane take off from TLV without showing up? The answer would be, not unless it’s an ultra-rare military exemption. If a plane doesn’t have its transponder on, it’s not even getting takeoff clearance — and even if it somehow did and went dark mid-air, the takeoff itself is still logged by ground radar.

The only time aircraft disappear from tracking is in shady ferry operations — like buying jets in Africa, re-registering them, and flying them into places like Iran while ghosting the transponder to evade sanctions. That’s black-market level shady. And not something you could pull off from TLV without serious consequences. Just look at examples like this one: [Iran sanctions evasion via Nigeria](https://www.meforum.org/mef-observer/nigerian-airline-has-become-irans-partner-in-aviation-sanctions-evasion)

And here’s actual trace data for Flyyo’s two aircraft from April 2nd — both accounted for, neither of them flying TLV–ATH that day:

- YR-ADA (ICAO 4A0483): https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=4a0483&lat=31.993&lon=34.899&zoom=9.0&showTrace=2025-04-02&leg=1 
- YR-ADC (ICAO 4A0481): https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=4a0481&showTrace=2025-04-02&leg=1

Bottom line — if all the bizjets and turboprops that took off that day show up, and there’s no sign of Flyyo 4D2033, and their other aircraft was doing operations to Dublin, so it’s pretty obvious: the flight never happened.

[Emgee]

This is turning into a bit of a nightmare. I just lost the dispute with Chase. I’ve realized lately that credit card companies, including Chase and Amex, have become notoriously bad at handling disputes. It feels like they don’t even bother to properly investigate and just take the easy way out.

Their reason for denying my dispute is that the ticket was non-refundable under the cancellation policy. But that completely misses the point. The issue wasn’t a cancellation, it’s that the flight never existed in the first place.

What’s my best next step to get a refund? Does anyone know if there’s a government agency I can report this to, maybe an Israeli authority or any other relevant body?

Any advice would be appreciated.

[Travel Lover]

This is turning into a bit of a nightmare. I just lost the dispute with Chase. I’ve realized lately that credit card companies, including Chase and Amex, have become notoriously bad at handling disputes. It feels like they don’t even bother to properly investigate and just take the easy way out.

Their reason for denying my dispute is that the ticket was non-refundable under the cancellation policy. But that completely misses the point. The issue wasn’t a cancellation, it’s that the flight never existed in the first place.

What’s my best next step to get a refund? Does anyone know if there’s a government agency I can report this to, maybe an Israeli authority or any other relevant body?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Based on my experience, you should be able to dispute it again if you can show them the point that was missed.

[shapsam]

Based on my experience, you should be able to dispute it again if you can show them the point that was missed.

+1
I would also use the term "Fraudulent" and describe the merchant as a scammer.