Do you hit your kids?

[Penguin711]

For example?

Kid running into the street. Touching fire/the stove. Etc. A one time event that they need to learn something crucial that isn't sufficient taught verbally.

[Sport]

For example?

Any situation where the child's well being is in grave danger (such as running in the street) and your hitting them is the most effective way to prevent this from happening. I would add that even in such situations the parent must be certain that they are not hitting out of anger or frustration.

[elit]

Without elaborating, as King Solomon says when you never hit your kids, it means you don't like them. It definitely has to be done with Seichel, meaning you can't hit your kid because you're posting on DDF and he keeps on shlepping you to play with him, just get off DDF and do what a father has to do. Dont get in Kays and give him a smake. etc etc etc I am always thinking, do I wonna smake him because he shouldn't do it next time OR because im angry, you can't hit because you're angry.

i think almost universally all present day gedolim do not feel the Talmud and king Solomon's lines about hitting children apply today

[Moishel]

Without elaborating, as King Solomon says when you never hit your kids, it means you don't like them. It definitely has to be done with Seichel, meaning you can't hit your kid because you're posting on DDF and he keeps on shlepping you to play with him, just get off DDF and do what a father has to do. Dont get in Kays and give him a smake. etc etc etc I am always thinking, do I wonna smake him because he shouldn't do it next time OR because im angry, you can't hit because you're angry.

You seriously smake your kids?

[yehuda S]

Kid running into the street. Touching fire/the stove. Etc. A one time event that they need to learn something crucial that isn't sufficient taught verbally.

Any situation where the child's well being is in grave danger (such as running in the street) and your hitting them is the most effective way to prevent this from happening. I would add that even in such situations the parent must be certain that they are not hitting out of anger or frustration.

Actually, negative reinforcement will only prevent your child from doing that behavior in front of the parents but will increase their desire to do it away from the parents.

[Moishel]

Define "Symbolic" 

without inflicting physical pain

[Achas Veachas]

I only hit my children in self defense...

[Ergel]

Kid running into the street. Touching fire/the stove. Etc. A one time event that they need to learn something crucial that isn't sufficient taught verbally.

In principle, I agree. However, I personally believe you can make the same point verbally. Chastise the kid to the point of tears and you accomplish the same thing

[ilherman]

You seriously smake your kids?

I think the OP asked not to get personal....

I probably smaked 3 times (my kid is 3) and to mention, smaking does not mean beating up a kid, just taking his hands and give a little Dada is more then enough (it shouldn't hurt them, they get the message anyways)

[Dr Moose]

I only hit my children in self defense...

[Moishel]

Actually, negative reinforcement will only prevent your child from doing that behavior in front of the parents but will increase their desire to do it away from the parents.

Hitting is not negative reinforcement, negative reinforcement means removing a positive stimuli, i.e. timeout or taking away a toy.

[Lou Bob]

What kids are missing these days is a little discipline. Smack em till they learn the lesson.

[Ergel]

i think almost universally all present day gedolim do not feel the Talmud and king Solomon's lines about hitting children apply today

I assume they think it applies just define it as discipline

[Moishel]

I think the OP asked not to get personal....

I probably smaked 3 times (my kid is 3) and to mention, smaking does not mean beating up a kid, just taking his hands and give a little Dada is more then enough (it shouldn't hurt them, they get the message anyways)

I still can't believe you smake them, if you would just be smacking them then we can debate pro and con, but smaking is inexcusable.

[elit]

In principle, I agree. However, I personally believe you can make the same point verbally. Chastise the kid to the point of tears and you accomplish the same thing

i am not sure that does less negative damage

[elit]

I still can't believe you smake them, if you would just be smacking them then we can debate pro and con, but smaking is inexcusable.

so ur the רשי/רן guy

[Joe4007]

I still can't believe you smake them, if you would just be smacking them then we can debate pro and con, but smaking is inexcusable.

[Sport]

Hitting is not negative reinforcement, negative reinforcement means removing a positive stimuli, i.e. timeout or taking away a toy.

+1 Additionally, the negative outcome that the op described is a result of constant negative reinforcement. The intent in these situations is that it should not be recurring by making a strong enough impact on the kid that he/she doesn't do it again.

[meshugener]

Without getting personal please...

I gotta admit you make DDF an exciting place to hang out.

[meshugener]

I only hit my children in self defense...

LOL