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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #100 on: February 23, 2014, 03:53:48 PM »
What about kastner the tziyoni saving his life, was that also the sitra achra?!
Clearly not, because it saved an anti-zionist  :P
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Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #101 on: February 23, 2014, 04:42:00 PM »
I thought that Satmar denied the Kastner train story but I could be wrong.

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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #102 on: February 23, 2014, 04:51:26 PM »
What about kastner the tziyoni saving his life, was that also the sitra achra?!
are you suggesting kastner was a good man? a good read of 'perfidy' is in order

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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #103 on: February 23, 2014, 05:24:20 PM »
What about kastner the tziyoni saving his life, was that also the sitra achra?!
The point is that he held that the unnatural events of the six day war, cannot be attributed to a ness by god. Rather the sitra achra. (Wtvr that means).
Only fools actually think that "Zionist military supremacy" won the war.
The kastner train was not necessarily unnatural, also his belief was based on the premise that the war itself was brought on against the will of G-d. The train has no relevance.

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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #104 on: February 23, 2014, 05:28:11 PM »
The point is that he held that the unnatural events of the six day war, cannot be attributed to a ness by god. Rather the sitra achra. (Wtvr that means).
Wow.
Was Yehoshua also using sitra achra?
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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #105 on: February 23, 2014, 05:31:14 PM »
Wow.
Was Yehoshua also using sitra achra?
big diff. He was fulfilling Hashem's command whereas, according to him, the zionists are violating it.
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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #106 on: February 23, 2014, 05:57:24 PM »
Guess you can say the same for any neis.
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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #107 on: February 23, 2014, 06:01:14 PM »
Everyone please! Go read the shtikel in Divrei Yoel try to understand it and then come back here and post about it (if you want) .... This is just going to go nowhere

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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #108 on: February 23, 2014, 06:09:41 PM »
BTW, The Steipler and others wrote strongly against this specific hashkafa.

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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #109 on: February 23, 2014, 06:13:25 PM »
I think its about time to change the title...
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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #110 on: February 23, 2014, 06:21:38 PM »
I thought that Satmar denied the Kastner train story but I could be wrong.
You are wrong.

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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #111 on: February 23, 2014, 06:27:28 PM »
Guess you can say the same for any neis.
Sure.
But when a yid believes that what a certain person or group is 100% against hashem's will, and yet still succeeds, what is he supposed to think?
Either (i) he was wrong, or (ii) get some answer to it.
And that's what he did.

Let me ask you this question, when the Russians arrested the Tanya, does that mean hashem was against the Tanya? definitely not. Same here.
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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #112 on: February 23, 2014, 07:22:17 PM »
(iii) Human minds can't understand Gdly logic and desires.

Otherwise do you believe that sitra achra caused the holocaust against Gds will?
For some unfathomable reason Gd decided to cause the holocaust.

Why did he do that? What can you say besides Tishbee?
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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #113 on: February 23, 2014, 07:35:48 PM »
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(iii) Human minds can't understand Gdly logic and desires.

Otherwise do you believe that sitra achra caused the holocaust against Gds will?
For some unfathomable reason Gd decided to cause the holocaust.

Why did he do that? What can you say besides Tishbee?
You didn't make a third point, you just said you can't decide between option one and two. Right?
Okay, he was so convinced that Zionism is against Hashem's will that he decided it must be option number two.

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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #114 on: February 23, 2014, 08:06:12 PM »
Everyone please! Go read the shtikel in Divrei Yoel try to understand it and then come back here and post about it (if you want) .... This is just going to go nowhere
You meant V’Yoel Moshe I assume.
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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #115 on: February 23, 2014, 08:55:09 PM »
For some unfathomable reason Gd decided to cause the holocaust.

Why did he do that? What can you say besides Tishbee?
Reb yoel actually blamed zionisem for the most part.

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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #116 on: February 23, 2014, 08:57:42 PM »
And so what caused the Inquisition?
Or every other tragedy to befall us?

Is Gd not ultimately responsible for everything? And does he really need to answer to us?
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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #117 on: February 23, 2014, 09:10:26 PM »
And so what caused the Inquisition?
Or every other tragedy to befall us?

Is Gd not ultimately responsible for everything? And does he really need to answer to us?
I assume what he meant by the koach of the sitra achara was not that it didn't originate from God (my understanding is that saying that is kefira) but just because something happened beyond tevah doesn't make it automatically correct. Like if a navi sheker produces a miracle and then tells you to violate the Torah we still look him. (Just explaining, not that I agree with the shitah)
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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #118 on: February 23, 2014, 09:10:38 PM »
And so what caused the Inquisition?
Or every other tragedy to befall us?

Is Gd not ultimately responsible for everything? And does he really need to answer to us?
Dan maybe we start a shier vyoel Moshe?
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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #119 on: February 23, 2014, 09:11:52 PM »

Reb yoel actually blamed zionisem for the most part.

Quite Convenient.  I noticed no one ever blames something they themselves are nichshal in.