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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #80 on: February 23, 2014, 05:33:02 AM »
Ahh, so it's not a psak? Just a political statement meant to serve some purpose?

it is a kind of psak.

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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #81 on: February 23, 2014, 05:40:11 AM »
it is a kind of psak.
So it's a psak grounded in halachic principles?
Or a psak based on politics?
Or it's a political position shrouded in halachic garb?

Meshugener, can you chime in when you're awake?

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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #82 on: February 23, 2014, 09:14:21 AM »
So it's a psak grounded in halachic principles?
Or a psak based on politics?
Or it's a political position shrouded in halachic garb?

Meshugener, can you chime in when you're awake?
It's definitely not political.
And as far as I know (even though his exact language implied otherwise) it is not halacha as well.

In my limited understanding it is hashkafa.
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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #83 on: February 23, 2014, 09:20:19 AM »
He writes in על הגאולה not to go.
I know.
But not because of ציונות, he wrote a totally different reason, something about טומאה and שדים.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I remember. Last time I read it was over 6 years ago.

And that's something I reserve my rights of freedom of religion to :)
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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #84 on: February 23, 2014, 09:31:46 AM »
Mesh, maybe offer Drago a Veyoal Moshe.....
You can say what you think when you think what you say.

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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #85 on: February 23, 2014, 09:47:04 AM »
Mesh, maybe offer Drago a Veyoal Moshe.....
It won't help him, same as it didn't help me and you.

It was not written to be understood. Sorry for being honest.
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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #86 on: February 23, 2014, 09:51:39 AM »
It won't help him, same as it didn't help me and you.

It was not written to be understood. Sorry for being honest.
No... There is the one with the makeup out there... That is made for everyone.

And btw על הגאולה is not so hard... Even Veyoal Moshe if you sit down with someone and learn it its not harder than any other Sugye in Shas.
You can say what you think when you think what you say.

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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #87 on: February 23, 2014, 09:57:15 AM »
No... There is the one with the makeup out there... That is made for everyone.

And btw על הגאולה is not so hard... Even Veyoal Moshe if you sit down with someone and learn it its not harder than any other Sugye in Shas.
I'm going to disagree with you.
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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #88 on: February 23, 2014, 10:13:45 AM »
The rebbe flew on paid P/Z class

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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #89 on: February 23, 2014, 11:12:44 AM »
It's definitely not political.
And as far as I know (even though his exact language implied otherwise) it is not halacha as well.

In my limited understanding it is hashkafa.
Thanks for the response.
I appreciate you answering it seriously.

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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #90 on: February 23, 2014, 11:25:01 AM »
You really think there are no satmar folks on DDF?
It won't help him, same as it didn't help me and you.

It was not written to be understood. Sorry for being honest.
So much for the DDF satmar folks...

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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #91 on: February 23, 2014, 12:16:01 PM »
I know.
But not because of ציונות, he wrote a totally different reason, something about טומאה and שדים.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I remember. Last time I read it was over 6 years ago.

And that's something I reserve my rights of freedom of religion to :)
He writes it about ציונית, the thing with שדים and טומאה is an additional reason.

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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #92 on: February 23, 2014, 12:29:48 PM »
He writes it about ציונית, the thing with שדים and טומאה is an additional reason.
Could be, you know I have a memory like a chicken.
I would have to verify, where can I watch Al haGulah free online?
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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #93 on: February 23, 2014, 12:34:19 PM »
Are there 2 different satmar rebbe? (the title implies that there's more than one)
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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #94 on: February 23, 2014, 12:36:40 PM »
Are there 2 different satmar rebbe?
I think so.
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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #95 on: February 23, 2014, 01:02:05 PM »
Are there 2 different satmar rebbe? (the title implies that there's more than one)
yes.  With each one thinking he is the only one

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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #96 on: February 23, 2014, 01:18:58 PM »
I know.
But not because of ציונות, he wrote a totally different reason, something about טומאה and שדים.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I remember. Last time I read it was over 6 years ago.
Would that explain why he differentiates btw what was conquered in 48 and 67, even though it was the same army?

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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #97 on: February 23, 2014, 01:28:02 PM »
Would that explain why he differentiates btw what was conquered in 48 and 67, even though it was the same army?
Not sure but maybe
its all about symbolism
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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #98 on: February 23, 2014, 02:34:51 PM »
My understanding is that the whole Zionist conquest in his eyes was a מרידה במלכות שמים, therefore anything that symbolizes their conquest is a chillul hashem.
He also held that the six day war, that was clearly a נצחון שלא כדרך הטבע, was not a נס, it was the כח of the סיטרא אחרא and טומה.

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Re: Satmar Rebbe (R, Aaron) EWR-TLV Trip Report
« Reply #99 on: February 23, 2014, 03:35:47 PM »
My understanding is that the whole Zionist conquest in his eyes was a מרידה במלכות שמים, therefore anything that symbolizes their conquest is a chillul hashem.
He also held that the six day war, that was clearly a נצחון שלא כדרך הטבע, was not a נס, it was the כח of the סיטרא אחרא and טומה.

What about kastner the tziyoni saving his life, was that also the sitra achra?!