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Re: Zionist Mindset
« Reply #45 on: February 26, 2014, 12:52:06 PM »
No.
And your point is?
Why is Judea occupied territory but Texas isn't?
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Re: Zionist Mindset
« Reply #46 on: February 26, 2014, 12:52:10 PM »

And suddenly the place has been overrun by a ton of Jewish refugees who casually declared a Jewish state and marginalized the local Arab population...

And your point is?

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Re: Zionist Mindset
« Reply #47 on: February 26, 2014, 12:53:21 PM »
Why is Judea occupied territory but Texas isn't?
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Re: Zionist Mindset
« Reply #48 on: February 26, 2014, 12:56:17 PM »
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Re: Zionist Mindset
« Reply #49 on: February 26, 2014, 01:00:08 PM »
Why is Judea occupied territory but Texas isn't?
Both are. And I actually don't think it's wrong as long you as you have a valid claim for that.

I was responding to YankelDoodle who said the claim is based on the UN etc. - THAT is not an answer for J'lem and the West Bank. But yes there are other better answers (not that I agree with it).
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Re: Zionist Mindset
« Reply #50 on: February 26, 2014, 01:02:02 PM »
@yankl, even at the UN they claimed a religious heritage.

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Re: Zionist Mindset
« Reply #51 on: February 26, 2014, 01:34:15 PM »
@yankl, even at the UN they claimed a religious heritage.

If you repeat a lie enough times, it begins to gain traction

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Re: Zionist Mindset
« Reply #52 on: February 26, 2014, 02:41:07 PM »
If you repeat a lie enough times, it begins to gain traction
Letter from Ben Gurion to General Charles de Gaulle. (-They used the torah to legitimize their claim to the land. They dont have any other reliable claim. These are well known facts.)
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  And yet the entire world – or at any rate, the Christian world – considered Palestine on both sides of the Jordan to be a single country, which the Jewish people had hoped would someday belong to it again, as was promised by the Bible and the Prophets.  In the Book of Genesis it is written: “And the Lord appeared unto Abraham and said: Unto thy seed will I give this land” (Genesis, 12:7), and in Deuteronomy we read: “Then the Lord God will return thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath scattered thee…And the Lord they God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shall possess it” (Deuteronomy, 30: 3-5).  The same belief can be found in the Prophets too, in Isaiah 56:8, Jeremiah 29:14, Ezekiel 11:17, Nehemiah 1:9.  This was the intention of the Balfour Declaration, which was affirmed by France, and by the League of Nations when it approved the British Mandate.  And yet, when the General Assembly decided to vote otherwise – we accepted, and we would have kept faith with the decision had the Arabs kept the peace.

It is certainly true that for thousands of years we believed in the vision of our prophets, and there are still many of us who believe in the coming of the Messiah, who will bring the Jews from all over the world, the living and the dead, to the Holy Land.  But this was never a “fervent and conquering ambition” – rather it was a fervent belief in our prophets’ vision of peace: “And national shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more” (Isaiah 2:4, Micah 4:3).  It is this psychic link to the Book of Books that constitutes the secret of our continued existence after the two destructions of our Temple by the Babylonians and the Romans, and after the hate with which the Christian nations surrounded us for sixteen hundred years.

When a British royal commission came to Jerusalem at the end of 1936 to weigh the future of the Mandate, I said to it: “Our Mandate is the Bible.”  It was from the Bible that we drew the strength to withstand a hostile world and to perpetuate our faith that we would one day return to our land and that peace would reign in the world.

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Re: Zionist Mindset
« Reply #53 on: February 26, 2014, 03:13:39 PM »
Heres another quote from netanyahu at the UN in 2013:
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"In our time the Biblical prophecies are being realized. As the prophet Amos said, they shall rebuild ruined cities and inhabit them. They shall plant vineyards and drink their wine. They shall till gardens and eat their fruit. And I will plant them upon their soil never to be uprooted again. Ladies and gentlemen, the people of Israel have come home never to be uprooted again."—Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu
The sheer chutzpah, to quote scripture that he does not believe in, while he is being mechallel shabbos and his son dates a norwegian is just astounding.

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Re: Zionist Mindset
« Reply #54 on: February 26, 2014, 03:33:48 PM »
They "believe" in the history of it, there's more than enough archeological proof.

They just believe that times have changed and that the commandments no longer apply.
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Re: Zionist Mindset
« Reply #55 on: February 26, 2014, 03:36:43 PM »
They "believe" in the history of it, there's more than enough archeological proof.

They just believe that times have changed and that the commandments no longer apply.
And after the Jews were exiled and Arabs lived there the concept of Israel being a jewish homeland doesn't apply either.

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Re: Zionist Mindset
« Reply #56 on: February 26, 2014, 03:44:29 PM »
They "believe" in the history of it, there's more than enough archeological proof.

They just believe that times have changed and that the commandments no longer apply.
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Re: Zionist Mindset
« Reply #57 on: February 26, 2014, 03:45:57 PM »
The sheer chutzpah, to quote scripture that he does not believe in, while he is being mechallel shabbos and his son dates a norwegian is just astounding.
Why Chutzpa? Is it chutzpa for a Christian to quote the Bible?
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Re: Zionist Mindset
« Reply #58 on: February 26, 2014, 03:49:48 PM »
Why Chutzpa? Is it chutzpa for a Christian to quote the Bible?
Not when he believes in it.

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Re: Zionist Mindset
« Reply #59 on: February 26, 2014, 03:53:26 PM »
Not when he believes in it.
Since when did belief become a pre-requisite for quoting a source?