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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #195 on: March 03, 2014, 11:26:52 PM »
I say R Meir Stern wont take passaic
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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #196 on: March 04, 2014, 12:04:23 AM »
much later, time for both

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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #197 on: March 04, 2014, 02:04:31 AM »
Their dinner is Sunday
like i said ;D but i don't think it would have happened anyways. Classic siyata dishmaya for him not to have to make the call

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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #198 on: March 04, 2014, 04:19:27 AM »
Trying to understand the point of such a protest in Manhattan or rather how you can explain to New Yorkers the meaning of such a protest. If Ch'vs there was a reason for a draft or call up in the USA as in WW2, I don't think yeshivah guys would get a pass. Of course I believe that in Israel they should leave the yeshiva guys alone, but how to you explain to New Yorkers in Manhattan the reason for the protest? Won't they simply say, that since Israel is constantly on alert with their neighbors, that everyone needs to be drafted? During WW2, did college guys get off the hook?

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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #199 on: March 04, 2014, 08:43:59 AM »
Re: Brocha, there was an article in Yated Hebrew today about it, with Shu"t from Rav Chaim Kanievsky Shlita. The point of some posters here was that if Rav Zilberstein or whoever says the Bracha, to imply that it was thoughtless, careless etc, as if they do not care about brocha levatala, is sheer unintelligence and chutzpa. Even if there were 2 mil. Rav AJ would still not make the brocha maybe. That is fine, that is the brisker mehalach, but it does not have bearing on other Rabbanim following their shita in halacha.

Can someone find and post the letter from Rav Shmuel Eliyahu about why he is supporting the Atzeres even though he is from the DL community? He is the Rav of Tzfas. Almost no DL ppl came. I heard and can agree that it was better that they did not come, it would have diluted the impact. Now everyone sees that almost a million Charedi ppl got together. It is their loss, whoever missed the event.
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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #200 on: March 04, 2014, 08:48:27 AM »

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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #201 on: March 04, 2014, 08:51:24 AM »
Trying to understand the point of such a protest in Manhattan or rather how you can explain to New Yorkers the meaning of such a protest. If Ch'vs there was a reason for a draft or call up in the USA as in WW2, I don't think yeshivah guys would get a pass. Of course I believe that in Israel they should leave the yeshiva guys alone, but how to you explain to New Yorkers in Manhattan the reason for the protest? Won't they simply say, that since Israel is constantly on alert with their neighbors, that everyone needs to be drafted? During WW2, did college guys get off the hook?

In NY, they can explain that the law is aimed specifically at religious men to criminalize their studies It is not about the needs of the army as the army does not want Charedim. Also, any "non-charedi" who does not enlist in the army is not subject to parallel laws.

Also in the wars fought by America, Yeshiva students, and all divinity students, were exempt from the draft. It is universally accepted.

Some DL "rabbi" was on the media last night quoting the Rambam and explaining why he did not go to the Atzeres Tefila. He agreed that if someone wants to dedicate his life to learning, he is patur from the army, as was in the wars in our history, but that is only for shevet Levi. This "rabbi" did not know that the Rambam also writes "lo Shevet Levi bilvad" I think every 12 year old frum bachur knows that Rambam.
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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #202 on: March 04, 2014, 09:10:18 AM »
During WW2, did college guys get off the hook?
No but Rabbinical students (as well as other religions) were exempt.
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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #203 on: March 04, 2014, 09:22:33 AM »
Who exactly are you trying to explain it to? The US goverment? Its enough that the goverment in Israel sees an overwhelming support in america to the chareidim which mounts more pressure on them due to tourism etc....
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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #204 on: March 04, 2014, 09:28:35 AM »
Trying to understand the point of such a protest in Manhattan or rather how you can explain to New Yorkers the meaning of such a protest. If Ch'vs there was a reason for a draft or call up in the USA as in WW2, I don't think yeshivah guys would get a pass. Of course I believe that in Israel they should leave the yeshiva guys alone, but how to you explain to New Yorkers in Manhattan the reason for the protest? Won't they simply say, that since Israel is constantly on alert with their neighbors, that everyone needs to be drafted? During WW2, did college guys get off the hook?
What wrong with the way BBC understands it http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-26412295

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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #205 on: March 04, 2014, 10:25:08 AM »
No but Rabbinical students (as well as other religions) were exempt.
exactly and the point is is that they arent truly needed

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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #206 on: March 04, 2014, 10:49:50 AM »
exactly and the point is is that they arent truly needed
The point is actually that they are needed for Torah learning...
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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #207 on: March 04, 2014, 11:23:20 AM »
like i said ;D but i don't think it would have happened anyways. Classic siyata dishmaya for him not to have to make the call
Yup. On the same night as the internet asifa at citi field the Yeshiva Ketana of Passaic had their dinner...
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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #208 on: March 05, 2014, 10:25:26 AM »
Glad everyone at the  "atzeres" slept very well last night, while the IDF was working hard to protect the atzeres goers:
http://www.vosizneias.com/157208/2014/03/05/jerusalem-israel-naval-raid-seizes-gaza-bound-iranian-arms/

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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #209 on: March 05, 2014, 10:29:55 AM »
Glad everyone at the  "atzeres" slept very well last night, while the IDF was working hard to protect the atzeres goers:
http://www.vosizneias.com/157208/2014/03/05/jerusalem-israel-naval-raid-seizes-gaza-bound-iranian-arms/
They were sleeping? at least some of them were up learning...
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