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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #200 on: March 04, 2014, 08:48:27 AM »

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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #201 on: March 04, 2014, 08:51:24 AM »
Trying to understand the point of such a protest in Manhattan or rather how you can explain to New Yorkers the meaning of such a protest. If Ch'vs there was a reason for a draft or call up in the USA as in WW2, I don't think yeshivah guys would get a pass. Of course I believe that in Israel they should leave the yeshiva guys alone, but how to you explain to New Yorkers in Manhattan the reason for the protest? Won't they simply say, that since Israel is constantly on alert with their neighbors, that everyone needs to be drafted? During WW2, did college guys get off the hook?

In NY, they can explain that the law is aimed specifically at religious men to criminalize their studies It is not about the needs of the army as the army does not want Charedim. Also, any "non-charedi" who does not enlist in the army is not subject to parallel laws.

Also in the wars fought by America, Yeshiva students, and all divinity students, were exempt from the draft. It is universally accepted.

Some DL "rabbi" was on the media last night quoting the Rambam and explaining why he did not go to the Atzeres Tefila. He agreed that if someone wants to dedicate his life to learning, he is patur from the army, as was in the wars in our history, but that is only for shevet Levi. This "rabbi" did not know that the Rambam also writes "lo Shevet Levi bilvad" I think every 12 year old frum bachur knows that Rambam.
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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #202 on: March 04, 2014, 09:10:18 AM »
During WW2, did college guys get off the hook?
No but Rabbinical students (as well as other religions) were exempt.

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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #203 on: March 04, 2014, 09:22:33 AM »
Who exactly are you trying to explain it to? The US goverment? Its enough that the goverment in Israel sees an overwhelming support in america to the chareidim which mounts more pressure on them due to tourism etc....
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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #204 on: March 04, 2014, 09:28:35 AM »
Trying to understand the point of such a protest in Manhattan or rather how you can explain to New Yorkers the meaning of such a protest. If Ch'vs there was a reason for a draft or call up in the USA as in WW2, I don't think yeshivah guys would get a pass. Of course I believe that in Israel they should leave the yeshiva guys alone, but how to you explain to New Yorkers in Manhattan the reason for the protest? Won't they simply say, that since Israel is constantly on alert with their neighbors, that everyone needs to be drafted? During WW2, did college guys get off the hook?
What wrong with the way BBC understands it http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-26412295

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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #205 on: March 04, 2014, 10:25:08 AM »
No but Rabbinical students (as well as other religions) were exempt.
exactly and the point is is that they arent truly needed

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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #206 on: March 04, 2014, 10:49:50 AM »
exactly and the point is is that they arent truly needed
The point is actually that they are needed for Torah learning...

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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #207 on: March 04, 2014, 11:23:20 AM »
like i said ;D but i don't think it would have happened anyways. Classic siyata dishmaya for him not to have to make the call
Yup. On the same night as the internet asifa at citi field the Yeshiva Ketana of Passaic had their dinner...
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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #208 on: March 05, 2014, 10:25:26 AM »
Glad everyone at the  "atzeres" slept very well last night, while the IDF was working hard to protect the atzeres goers:
http://www.vosizneias.com/157208/2014/03/05/jerusalem-israel-naval-raid-seizes-gaza-bound-iranian-arms/

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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #209 on: March 05, 2014, 10:29:55 AM »
Glad everyone at the  "atzeres" slept very well last night, while the IDF was working hard to protect the atzeres goers:
http://www.vosizneias.com/157208/2014/03/05/jerusalem-israel-naval-raid-seizes-gaza-bound-iranian-arms/
They were sleeping? at least some of them were up learning...
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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #210 on: March 05, 2014, 11:01:17 AM »
Glad everyone at the  "atzeres" slept very well last night, while the IDF was working hard to protect the atzeres goers:
http://www.vosizneias.com/157208/2014/03/05/jerusalem-israel-naval-raid-seizes-gaza-bound-iranian-arms/
Do you honestly beleive that Israel is the safest place for a Jew to live?
Personally I think that a small country surrounded by billions of arabs is the most dangerous place for Jews, even with the "mighty IDF".
 How many Jews have been killed over the last 60 years in Israel with the protection of the Mighty IDF? How many killed in the USA, Europe?
With all due respect, you're in lala land.

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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #211 on: March 05, 2014, 11:15:43 AM »
Do you honestly beleive that Israel is the safest place for a Jew to live?
Personally I think that a small country surrounded by billions of arabs is the most dangerous place for Jews, even with the "mighty IDF".
 How many Jews have been killed over the last 60 years in Israel with the protection of the Mighty IDF? How many killed in the USA, Europe?
With all due respect, you're in lala land.
less Jews have been killed in Israel in the past 20 years due to suicide bombers than in the USA and Europe. (However, more Jews die in Israel in auto accidents than suicide bombings)
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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #212 on: March 05, 2014, 11:17:09 AM »
When you only believe in kochi veotzem yadi, all is fine for you....

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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #213 on: March 05, 2014, 11:17:29 AM »
less Jews have been killed in Israel in the past 20 years due to suicide bombers than in the USA and Europe. (However, more Jews die in Israel in auto accidents than suicide bombings)
???

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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #214 on: March 05, 2014, 11:22:31 AM »
???
#1 - Our learning and Mitzvos help. Obviously in an active war (i.e. Yom Kippur War), everyone would be required to be more involved and many to join and assist.
#2 - that quote is to parallel with the number of Jews killed in America during the September 11 attacks,
           and the French suicide bombing in front of the school, etc... Specifically 'suicide bombings'. Perhaps rocket #s are higher.. Not sure;
            however, I believe that are are to live in a manner that EY is a safe place to be...
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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #215 on: March 05, 2014, 12:15:31 PM »
Do you honestly beleive that Israel is the safest place for a Jew to live?
Personally I think that a small country surrounded by billions of arabs is the most dangerous place for Jews, even with the "mighty IDF".
 How many Jews have been killed over the last 60 years in Israel with the protection of the Mighty IDF? How many killed in the USA, Europe?
With all due respect, you're in lala land.

There are pros and cons about living anywhere, I have news to tell you up untill 40 or 50 years ago it was not very pleasant to live as a Jew in the United States as Jews, it is only a very new thing that Jews live well in the United States and canada, and yes a Jew living in israel is way better off then a Jew living in Muslim countries even when times were so called good, Jew in a muslim countries were like the Christians today living in Muslims lands being treated as second class citizens, a secular Jew living in Europe has no future of marrying a Jew, a frum Jew in Europe has a bigger chance of being ganged up by arab thugs then a Jew in yerushalyim, there is something to say about a jew protecting a jew which is only in Israel.
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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #216 on: March 05, 2014, 12:23:31 PM »
Ner yisrael is sending buses for anyone who wants to pay 25

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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #217 on: March 05, 2014, 12:24:55 PM »
Ner yisrael is sending buses for anyone who wants to pay 25
+1
Nice.  Round trip?
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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #218 on: March 08, 2014, 08:23:03 PM »
Passaic yeshiva is going

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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #219 on: March 08, 2014, 08:28:20 PM »

Passaic yeshiva is going
If they go it means everyone is
He doesn't want to be porush min hatzibur