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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #300 on: March 10, 2014, 09:08:27 AM »
+1000. Could not have said it better myself.

When Hilonim vote against Haredim doesn't change anything.
It shows that kofrim hate frum Jews. Always have.
The mizrachi are the same, but that's sin'as amei haaretz letalmid chacham.

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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #301 on: March 10, 2014, 09:16:08 AM »
How many DL's hide their kipot at work?
Just as many as haredim who work. The difference is that many haredim don't work and instead ask those who do take off their yarmulkes to support them. It's not a joke I see it every single day in my shul.

(btw I'm not saying that they shouldn't be asking for others to support them, because they should, but you can't then condemn them for doing what it takes to earn the money)
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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #302 on: March 10, 2014, 09:21:16 AM »
Just as many as haredim who work. The difference is that many haredim don't work and instead ask those who do take off their yarmulkes to support them. It's not a joke I see it every single day in my shul.

(btw I'm not saying that they shouldn't be asking for others to support them, because they should, but you can't then condemn them for doing what it takes to earn the money)

The vast majority of Haredim work.
It would be nice if you wouldn't buy every lie that the secular spew.

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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #303 on: March 10, 2014, 09:36:03 AM »
A kiddush Hashem has nothing to do with how our anti-Semitic friends perceive it. And definitely nothing to do with how the amei Haaretz see it.
+1,000,000
Huge misconception out there.
If you are doing the right thing, it does not matter what others think.

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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #304 on: March 10, 2014, 09:38:03 AM »
Yeah read the comments here:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/thousands-orthodox-jews-protest-israeli-draft-article-1.1715987

I only hope people that comment on these pages are really just the bored ones

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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #305 on: March 10, 2014, 10:23:58 AM »
The vast majority of Haredim work.
It would be nice if you wouldn't buy every lie that the secular spew.

Large numbers of Chareidim in Israel do NOT work and do NOT pay taxes. This is not a secular lie, there is actual data to back this up. Contrary to your apparent opinion, not every secular Israeli hates Frum people, but they will certainly not tolerate a group of people mooching of the government and contributing NOTHING in return. If these groups would at least provide MORAL support to the government or to the army that would be one thing (like Chabad does), but NO, they criticize and curse the government and plaster Meah Shearim with anti-government signs making the whole neighborhood look like a slum.

Using the Torah as a basis to mooch off the government is the absolute greatest Chillul Hashem one can make. How can you walk around saying the Torah commands us to be fruitful and multiply and then use the money from taxpayers to support a large family? It would be a major Kiddush Hashem to work your butt off to support those children, then you are showing that you will follow the Torah, no matter how big the burden is on you.

If there is one country that is fed up with this, it's Israel. The Chareidim can make this right, but they have to be willing to do so. 

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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #306 on: March 10, 2014, 10:25:43 AM »
btw, those kooks in MS don't take a dime from the government FYI.

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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #307 on: March 10, 2014, 10:29:37 AM »
This is supposedly a Jewish state.
How about your average charedi resents that his fellow Jew eats pork, is mechalel shabbos, is megale arayos etc. etc.
How about sharing the burden?
The government spends way more for the secular per capita than for charedim.
Who uses all the sports funding?
The theaters funding?
Universities for mada'ei ha'ruach?
The entire police units for busting gangs?
Entire Shabak division for lawless mizrachists?
The jails full of murderers?
The jails full of rapists?

Charedim consume a lot and there is a tax on everything. Buying houses and so much more.

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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #308 on: March 10, 2014, 10:30:43 AM »
btw, those kooks in MS don't take a dime from the government FYI.

Except that their security is guaranteed by their Chazzer-fressing, Mechalel Shabbos, Pritzus-loving bretheren who spill their blood on behalf of the Tzaddikim that live in Meah Shearim.

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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #309 on: March 10, 2014, 10:31:41 AM »
Except that their security is guaranteed by their Chazzer-fressing, Mechalel Shabbos, Pritzus-loving bretheren who spill their blood on behalf of the Tzaddikim that live in Meah Shearim.

I'm not even talking about those people as they want the dissolution of the state.

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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #310 on: March 10, 2014, 10:31:58 AM »
btw, those kooks in MS don't take a dime from the government FYI.
Oh yes they do. It's just the schools that are independent. You won't find them volunteering to pay hospital bills instead of the government (except for a few lunatics that do home births and etc).
Except that their security is guaranteed by their Chazzer-fressing, Mechalel Shabbos, Pritzus-loving bretheren who spill their blood on behalf of the Tzaddikim that live in Meah Shearim.
The incremental cost to securing the MS population is minimal, if it all. The army is defending land, not people. The arabs want the land, not the bodies.
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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #311 on: March 10, 2014, 10:38:40 AM »

How about your average charedi resents that his fellow Jew eats pork, is mechalel shabbos, is megale arayos etc. etc.
So?

How about sharing the burden?

Again, what are you talking about?

Who uses all the sports funding?
The theaters funding?
Universities for mada'ei ha'ruach?
The entire police units for busting gangs?
Entire Shabak division for lawless mizrachists?
The jails full of murderers?
The jails full of rapists?
Every single one of those contributes to the entire states residents. (Israel's standing amongst the other countries in the world establishes the Shekel as a currency which allows you to buy foreign goods)

Charedim consume a lot and there is a tax on everything.
That doesn't help if they're using gov't funding for the purchases. If the government gives someone $100, and he buys $100 of goods, the $17 taxes are coming from the govt, not his pocket.



Buying houses and so much more.
Although it's not what you said, it's true that presence of the premier makom torah in yerushalaim contributes to the extremely high real estate prices which directly benefit the government.
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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #312 on: March 10, 2014, 10:39:07 AM »
The most recent Israeli elections speaks volumes about how Chareidim are perceived in Israel, and they have been booted in large part from the Knesset.
ignorant comment. the recent israeli election gave the chareidim just as many seats in knesset as they ever have. they have been booted from nowhere. the coalition that was formed didn't include them (for the moment), but that has nothing to do with peoples votes or the "perception" in israel.

Except that their security is guaranteed by their Chazzer-fressing, Mechalel Shabbos, Pritzus-loving bretheren who spill their blood on behalf of the Tzaddikim that live in Meah Shearim.

another ignorant comment. those that live in meah shearim posting anti zionist pashkavilim were there long before their chazzer fressing zionist brethren decided israel would be a convenient place for a zionistic stand. and they never had a need or want for anyones security, other than Gd. 

get your facts straight before spewing.

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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #313 on: March 10, 2014, 10:54:00 AM »
Again, what are you talking about?
Every single one of those contributes to the entire states residents.

If everyone would have been charedi, they wouldn't need all this costs for sports teams, gang busters, theaters, jails for murderers and rapists and so much more.
I resent my tax dollars that I spend when I'm there going to fund this garbage.

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Re: million man atzeres
« Reply #314 on: March 10, 2014, 10:58:31 AM »
If everyone would have been charedi, they wouldn't need all this costs for sports teams, gang busters, theaters, jails for murderers and rapists and so much more.

Israel would be a 3rd world country, the shekel would be unstable and very low compared to the dollar, so you would have difficulty buying foreign goods (like Israel has in it's first 20 years). Not to mention cost of debt would be at least 10% more, like other 3rd world countries.


Theaters are a business not government funded.

There are frum criminals - I know quite a few myself. You still need police and jails for them.


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