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Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?
« on: March 09, 2014, 03:58:11 PM »
Was thinking it would be a good topic of discussion.

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Re: Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2014, 04:02:05 PM »
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Re: Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2014, 04:36:15 PM »
Was thinking it would be a good topic of discussion.
Maybe we should rephrase the question: "Should yeshiva bochurim in Israel be pulled out of the beis medrash where they learn all day and be forcefully inducted into the army?"
What do you think??
Forgive me for being blunt but I can't see how anyone, with a chareidi torahdig upbringing, can justify what the Israeli government is trying to do.

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Re: Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2014, 05:03:13 PM »
Well if your not really in yeshiva and DDFing all day then yes go to the army, I heard the army is allot of fun plus you'll learn allot about life, my undestanding there are allot of BSers in Israel who avoid the army.

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Re: Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2014, 05:13:25 PM »
If they were to get all chareidim in the army the obvious next step would be the chareidi girls that would definitely be against halacha so let's be one step ahead.

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Re: Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2014, 05:17:35 PM »

Maybe we should rephrase the question: "Should yeshiva bochurim in Israel be pulled out of the beis medrash where they learn all day and be forcefully inducted into the army?"
What do you think??
Forgive me for being blunt but I can't see how anyone, with a chareidi torahdig upbringing, can justify what the Israeli government is trying to do.

Are all charedi bochurim actually learning in yeshiva? A friend of mine in kolel there tells me there are plenty of ppl who come once a month just to be counted.

Of course the majority are learning, but there is a sizable minority.

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Re: Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2014, 05:26:05 PM »
Are all charedi bochurim actually learning in yeshiva? A friend of mine in kolel there tells me there are plenty of ppl who come once a month just to be counted.

Of course the majority are learning, but there is a sizable minority.
So for the sizable minority we shouldn't fight the draft???????

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Re: Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2014, 05:44:22 PM »
ask r' shtienman…. i think he already answered
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Re: Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2014, 06:02:48 PM »
Are all charedi bochurim actually learning in yeshiva? A friend of mine in kolel there tells me there are plenty of ppl who come once a month just to be counted.

Of course the majority are learning, but there is a sizable minority.
There are draft dodgers everywhere, should the army stop giving Pturs to mentally unstable people because half of Tzfon Tel Aviv is on KaBaN?
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Re: Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2014, 06:06:06 PM »
Was thinking it would be a good topic of discussion.

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Re: Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2014, 06:08:34 PM »
Well if your not really in yeshiva and DDFing all day then yes go to the army, I heard the army is allot of fun plus you'll learn allot about life, my undestanding there are allot of BSers in Israel who avoid the army.
Yes, granted there are guys who get a dichui (deferment) from the army and they're sitting around and doing nothing all day. But for the guys who are actually sitting and learning (whom I believe are the majority), they should be allowed to continue doing just that!

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Re: Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2014, 06:25:35 PM »
Yes, granted there are guys who get a dichui (deferment) from the army and they're sitting around and doing nothing all day. But for the guys who are actually sitting and learning (whom I believe are the majority), they should be allowed to continue doing just that!

To play devil's advocate and get slightly off topic, should they then be allowed to collect any sort of stipend from the government if they refuse to contribute economically/physically/etc.?

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Re: Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2014, 07:20:34 PM »
While I definitely see the value of learning, I do believe that every young person in Israel should be required to give back... Personally I think that bachurim should serve the country for 5-6 years during their bein hazmanim (in av and Nissan), and that both be in hazmanims should be extended a few weeks so they end up serving for 2-3 months of the year. It doesn't have to be in the army (that would be difficult because of the training), but working in hospitals and other  governmental establishments would be sufficient.

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Re: Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2014, 07:30:26 PM »
This is something for the gedolim to decide and if you cant understand that you will never understand what is wrong with drafting them.

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Re: Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2014, 07:34:37 PM »
To play devil's advocate and get slightly off topic, should they then be allowed to collect any sort of stipend from the government if they refuse to contribute economically/physically/etc.?
Are the "stipends" any different than the social programs in the USA? Would you ask foodstamp recipients to "give back" by doing community service, or would that be unfair?

The sole requirement to receive government programs should be poverty. Not some social status, situation or contribution. That would be prejudice.