The army is full of znus, chilul Shabbos, kfira and all sorts of aveiros. Even leaving zionism aside, a frum Jew even if he doesn't learn, shouldn't set foot there.
None of that would be true if there was a critical mass of charedi soldiers.
The world is full of znus, chilul Shabbos, kfira and all sorts of aveiros. And frum Jews have the opportunity and duty to make things better. Again, I support the right and obligation to learn, but to not give back to the country and the organization that defends everybody within it is a chilul Hashem. There is room for compromise. See my earlier comment about bein hazmanim.That being said, for a frum Jew that has enough bitachon I think the army is a wonderful thing and indeed preferable.
We do all that we can to be machzir bitshuva as many as we can and it's evidenced by the multitudes of bt's. We don't have to join their swamp. Leaving aside that we aren't and never were zionists even if we weren't openly hostile.
We all know what takes precedence in the army even for mizrachists. The commander or halacha?
in halacha as well the Dr's decision trumps the Rabbi
While we all agree that bochrim should not be removed from yeshiva I think its very disturbing the disrespect some charedim show to those that do serve. They actually risk their lives protecting them too. Imagine we in American would show the same attitude towards our military.
The swamp is where they were before they became bt's. Now they're the cream of the crop.
no one disrespects the chilonim.
Seems like Moshe123 invalidates your point imho
nah, he's just responding to people implying that the chareidim are the race baiters and instigators of this hatred. An absolute fallacy. Chareidim have no interest in bashing the chilonim. Only when they are victims of attempted social engineering by people who can't fa'gin do they respond this way.
