Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?

[churnbabychurn]

C'mon, you know as well as I that Chareidim are generally elitist xenophobes.  Not all of them go out and disrespect others and preach their feelings/beliefs, but 99% of them feel that way.

No.
Obviously we know that we are doing the right thing and are extremely confident and comfortable with our way of life. The feelings towards other Jews who eat cheeseburgers on yom Kippur are feelings of pity. Hate is required by halacha in certain unique situations.
This cannot be compared with the rampant, seething hatred expressed by the Israeli media and public. It is normal to call charedim blood suckers and other derogatory remarks.
The whole social engineering agenda is born out of the hatred to our way of life.

[Moshe123]

Of course, I don't run around screaming it at them, but it's the truth. I love every Jew like myself and therefore donate a lot of money for kiruv.
But their current lifestyle and kfira? Yuck!

[Moshe123]

The mizrachi think that by being kofrim apologists, they are mekarev Jews to Judaism.
The opposite is happening. Their youth (and elders) are going the way of the reform plus their visceral hatred of a ehrliche yid, while the most bt's become through the Charedim. The fake stuff doesn't interest a chiloni if he wants to become religious.

[ual902]

The mizrachi think that by being kofrim apologists, they are mekarev Jews to Judaism.
The opposite is happening. Their youth (and elders) are going the way of the reform plus their visceral hatred of a ehrliche yid, while the most bt's become through the Charedim. The fake stuff doesn't interest a chiloni if he wants to become religious.

What are you talking about? I'm not mizrachi and not defending Mizrachi but just walk into Footsteps or Hillel in TLV  and see how many Satmars and Charedim  left. WAY more then Mizrachim leaving and when Chatredim or Satmrs leave the fold, they just don't leave quietly, they make sure everyone knows about it with their tatoos etc!!

[sillypainter]

What are you talking about? I'm not mizrachi and not defending Mizrachi but just walk into Footsteps or Hillel in TLV  and see how many Satmars and Charedim  left. WAY more then Mizrachim leaving!!

Because they don't need to leave if they want to leave. They left already.

[Moshe123]

The lifestyle of a mizrachist these days is already leaving the fold. Just because part of them are accelerating in abandoning yiddishkeit, doesn't put the rest in a positive light.

When all your "Rabbis" and "Gedolim" can be summed up by Drukman and co., it's not hard to see how much Judaism is left.

[ariIs]

I say it loud.
The chilonim, the kofrim bashem, the kofrim ba'ikar, the mechalelei Shabbos, the bo'alei nidos, the megalei arayos, the ochlei bsar hachazir.
Yuck!!
הלא משנאיך ה' אשנא!

Yep. Noone disrespects the chilonim....  [/sarcasm]
Do you understand that 99% of the chilonim are tinok shenishba?
The fact that they live in and protect EY, most keep Yom kippur, etc. is a tremendous zchus?
I could go on, but this is exactly the sort of attitude that creates sina between the haredim and chilonim.

[Aaaron]

No.
Obviously we know that we are doing the right thing and are extremely confident and comfortable with our way of life. The feelings towards other Jews who eat cheeseburgers on yom Kippur are feelings of pity. Hate is required by halacha in certain unique situations.
This cannot be compared with the rampant, seething hatred expressed by the Israeli media and public. It is normal to call charedim blood suckers and other derogatory remarks.
The whole social engineering agenda is born out of the hatred to our way of life.

I applaud the sentiment, but I don't think your feelings conform with the majority of Chareidim [as evidenced in this very thread].  And I never said "hate."  I truly think there is disrespect in both directions.

[ual902]

The lifestyle of a mizrachist these days is already leaving the fold. Just because part of them are accelerating in abandoning yiddishkeit, doesn't put the rest in a positive light.

When all your "Rabbis" and "Gedolim" can be summed up by Drukman and co., it's not hard to see how much Judaism is left.

More Chasidim Leave torah Judiaism  and end up hating torah and yidishkiet then Mizrachnkim \ Modern Orthodox this is a KNOWN fact.

[Moshe123]

Just because they are tinokos shenishbu doesn't make their behavior any less disgusting and rebellious against the almighty.
Their share in hell might be a little less, but that's about it.

They don't protect Eretz Yisrael. This is the kfira of כחי ועוצם ידי.
See the gemara of עומדות היו רגלינו.

[Moshe123]

More Chasidim Leave torah Judiaism  and end up hating torah and yidishkiet then Mizrachnkim \ Modern Orthodox this is a KNOWN fact.

First of all, this is first grade baloney.
Second, the mizrachists are already halfway not observant.
There is not a mitzvah that they don't have 10 million kulos.
I won't even start how embarrassed I am to go to their simchos and see the pritzus that goes on.

[ual902]

Just because they are tinokos shenishbu doesn't make their behavior any less disgusting and rebellious against the almighty.
Their share in hell might be a little less, but that's about it.

They don't protect Eretz Yisrael. This is the kfira of כחי ועוצם ידי.
See the gemara of עומדות היו רגלינו.

Do us a favor just SHUT UP already, Siyog Lachama Shtika, We us Chabad, Aish HAtorah, Breslov, Ohr Sameach and others will CONTINUE to be Meklarev these tinokos shenishbu as so many many have been chozer be tshiva Baruch hashem even though so many Satmars are LEAVING and hating Torah.

[Moshe123]

Do us a favor just SHUT UP already, Siyog Lachama Shtika, We us Chabad, Aish HAtorah, Breslov, Ohr Sameach and others will CONTINUE to be Meklarev these tinokos shenishbu as so many many have been chozer be tshiva Baruch hashem even though so many Satmars are LEAVING and hating Torah.

I am not Satmar and I love my fellow Jew like myself at the same time as I hate their anti-Torah lifestyle. I donate a lot to kiruv because of that.
And none of these groups that you mentioned are mizrachi.
The mizrachi would rather have richuk organizations to finish off whatever yiddishkeit they still have.

[Aaaron]

I am not Satmar and I love my fellow Jew like myself at the same time as I hate their anti-Torah lifestyle. I donate a lot to kiruv because of that.
And none of these groups that you mentioned are mizrachi.
The mizrachi would rather have richuk organizations to finish off whatever yiddishkeit they still have.

Sure you do.

We never showed our contempt for them before this incitement by the secular and the secular lite started.

We all know how everyone was talking about them until this.

I say it loud.
The chilonim, the kofrim bashem, the kofrim ba'ikar, the mechalelei Shabbos, the bo'alei nidos, the megalei arayos, the ochlei bsar hachazir.
Yuck!!
הלא משנאיך ה' אשנא!

[Moshe123]

I don't see a single contradiction.
I never even said a bad word against the mizrachi until the last ordeal. I was too much dan l'kaf zchus their behavior, but their actions in the past few years have proven me wrong. They detached themselves from frum Jewry and are going the way of the reform.
I pray every day that they should do teshuvah.