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Re: Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?
« Reply #150 on: March 10, 2014, 07:07:29 PM »
From a simple Google search. I'm sure there are more scientific sources

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/22/AR2008012203326.html

Singled out by the Pentagon for intense recruitment drives are urban centers such as Los Angeles and New York. The latter, in which low-income students account for 51% of all high school enrollment and where 71% are black or Latino, contains three of the nation’s top 32 counties for Army enlistment. In Los Angeles, 91% of the students are non-white and 75% are low-income.
And the Coalition Against Militarism in Our Schools says the 30 JROTC programs in Los Angeles Unified School District (with 4,754 students) are “Located in the most economically depressed communities of the city.”
African-Americans make up 16% of the civilian population of military age but 22% of the Army’s enlisted personnel, the ACLU notes. It charges bluntly: “The U.S. military’s practice of targeting low-income youth and students of color in combination with exaggerated promises of financial rewards for enlistment, undermines the voluntariness of their enlistment…”

You didn't search well enough. See page 19 of the military's demographics report. 93% have some college experience. None of what you quoted shows anything about income class in the actual military. This report using scientific methodology, rather that anecdotes intended to advance an opinion shows that the exact opposite is true. Of course, take the source with a grain of salt.
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Re: Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?
« Reply #151 on: March 10, 2014, 09:39:35 PM »
You didn't search well enough. See page 19 of the military's demographics report. 93% have some college experience.

That's cuz the army pays for it
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Re: Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?
« Reply #152 on: March 10, 2014, 11:41:44 PM »
That wouldn't get them the high school diploma. The racial numbers are wrong as well according to page 51. Education is discussed ingreater depth on page 66.
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Re: Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?
« Reply #153 on: March 10, 2014, 11:44:24 PM »
That wouldn't get them the high school diploma. The racial numbers are wrong as well according to page 51. Education is discussed ingreater depth on page 66.
Isn't HS diploma a perquisite?
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Re: Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?
« Reply #154 on: March 11, 2014, 12:00:41 AM »
It seems there are some who do not have one, and this was a major premise of the WP article.
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Re: Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?
« Reply #155 on: March 11, 2014, 12:08:20 AM »
This bar chart from he left wing NPP also belies that myth.

P.S. They are the source of the WP!

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Re: Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?
« Reply #157 on: March 12, 2014, 02:43:17 PM »
The law is a joke for the precise reason that they can't enforce it without a civil war.
It will either be repealed or won't be enforced.

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Re: Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?
« Reply #158 on: March 12, 2014, 03:04:22 PM »
The law is a joke for the precise reason that they can't enforce it without a civil war.
It will either be repealed or won't be enforced.
The problem for the yeshivos is money. They can very easily stop giving charedim money.

Hence

The problem started since the yeshivos and people became desperate and began relying on the government for financial support.
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Re: Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?
« Reply #159 on: March 12, 2014, 03:26:38 PM »
They already cut off almost the entire money.
The protests weren't on that. 90% is gone already.

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Re: Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?
« Reply #160 on: March 12, 2014, 03:28:26 PM »
They already cut off almost the entire money.

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Re: Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?
« Reply #161 on: March 12, 2014, 04:49:18 PM »
BS

Well, they actually did. I recently sat and compared all the numbers dollar for dollar.

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Re: Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?
« Reply #162 on: March 12, 2014, 05:18:20 PM »
They shouldn't, but neither should anyone

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Re: Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?
« Reply #163 on: March 12, 2014, 08:25:31 PM »
BS
???
They cut 80% of the money months ago
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Re: Should chareidim be forced to go to the army?
« Reply #164 on: March 12, 2014, 08:31:25 PM »
???
They cut 80% of the money months ago
You're forgetting child support for charedi families, arnona discounts, healthcare, and schooling.
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