Author Topic: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion (Read 75985 times)

wayfe · « **Reply #100 on:** March 11, 2014, 02:59:39 PM »

Quote from: Freddie on March 11, 2014, 02:47:33 PM

It's a special skill to be able to use a hashgacha pratis story to be merachek yidden... on a kiruv site no less!

I trust Aish.com knows what they're doing.

wayfe · « **Reply #101 on:** March 11, 2014, 02:59:54 PM »

Quote from: AJK on March 11, 2014, 02:58:20 PM

Hmmm... I bet you searched in English, huh?

and chinese

sillypainter · « **Reply #102 on:** March 11, 2014, 03:01:20 PM »

I am not understanding all the hate towards the article. I loved this story very much.

I rather see it as a zechus that happened to that guy because the travel agent didn't want to book him a trip on Shabbos, not so much because that guy didn't fly on Shabbos. It's definitely the travel agent that deserves the credit.

Freddie · « **Reply #103 on:** March 11, 2014, 03:03:49 PM »

Quote from: wayfe on March 11, 2014, 02:59:39 PM

I trust Aish.com knows what they're doing.

Yes, they know what they are doing. It is consistent with their principles. It doesn't mean that others wouldn't do differently and don't have different principles.

moish · « **Reply #104 on:** March 11, 2014, 03:04:15 PM »

Quote from: sillypainter on March 11, 2014, 03:01:20 PM

I am not understanding all the hate towards the article. I loved this story very much.

I rather see it as a zechus that happened to that guy because the travel agent didn't want to book him a trip on Shabbos, not so much because that guy didn't fly on Shabbos. It's definitely the travel agent that deserves the credit.

now thats a good angle

ilherman · « **Reply #105 on:** March 11, 2014, 03:14:27 PM »

Even that guy didn't observe that Shabbos, when he emailed back the travel agent that he is right "I should be more observant" he had something in his mind. So even at the end he didn't observe we know that when someone is making a real קבלה it counts for hashem. Even if at the end of the day he didn't actually do what he had in mind.

Moshe123 · « **Reply #106 on:** March 11, 2014, 03:18:47 PM »

Quote from: ilherman on March 11, 2014, 03:14:27 PM

Even that guy didn't observe that Shabbos, when he emailed back the travel agent that he is right "I should be more observant" he had something in his mind. So even at the end he didn't observe we know that when someone is making a real קבלה it counts for hashem. Even if at the end of the day he didn't actually do what he had in mind.

+100

yitzf · « **Reply #107 on:** March 11, 2014, 03:31:42 PM »

Quote from: AJK on March 11, 2014, 02:58:20 PM

Hmmm... I bet you searched in English, huh?

Link? I'm having trouble finding it on Baidu.

Achas Veachas · « **Reply #108 on:** March 11, 2014, 04:03:48 PM »

For all those criticizing and saying how can you say that all the people on the plane were somehow "punished" for not keeping Shabbos? There is an answer given by the Lubavitcher Rebbe regarding his Mezuzah campaign under the slogan שומר דלתות ישראל. The Mezuzah (or any other Mitzvah for that matter) is like a helmet that protects the wearer, not wearing a helmet doesn't mean you will be "punished" it just means that if there are bullets flying around, those wearing a helmet have that extra protection.

AJK · « **Reply #109 on:** March 11, 2014, 04:06:43 PM »

[insert here evangelical preacher saying a similar thing regarding holy water and crosses]

wayfe · « **Reply #110 on:** March 11, 2014, 04:10:16 PM »

Quote from: AJK on March 11, 2014, 04:06:43 PM

[insert here evangelical preacher saying a similar thing regarding holy water and crosses]

Have you even read what I and others have said about this earlier?

IT. IS. NOT. THE. SAME. THING.

AJK · « **Reply #111 on:** March 11, 2014, 04:11:42 PM »

Do you speak for all Christians, Muslims, and atheists? Or just the ones in your family?

What about the victims' families?

wayfe · « **Reply #112 on:** March 11, 2014, 04:16:41 PM »

Quote from: AJK on March 11, 2014, 04:11:42 PM

Do you speak for all Christians, Muslims, and atheists? Or just the ones in your family?

Are you saying this to be politically correct?

What about Zen and Buddhism and Free File Sharing in Denmark?

All religions are not equal and by equalizing them you negate and invalidate ALL of them (including your own).

wayfe · « **Reply #113 on:** March 11, 2014, 04:18:46 PM »

Quote from: AJK on March 11, 2014, 04:11:42 PM

What about the victims' families?

The article was not writtern for about even about the victims' families.

AJK · « **Reply #114 on:** March 11, 2014, 04:22:21 PM »

Quote from: wayfe on March 11, 2014, 04:16:41 PM

Are you saying this to be politically correct?

What about Zen and Buddhism and Free File Sharing in Denmark?

All religions are not equal and by equalizing them you negate and invalidate ALL of them (including your own).

Oiy, you continue to miss the point.

You're failure to appreciate that others may have different viewpoints continues to be undercut your every post. You continually pointing to Judaism as the justification to all people who are not Jewish continues to undercut your every post. And, finally, your continued presumptuousness to speak for all religions and non-religions beyond Judaism belies most everything you've posted.

wayfe · « **Reply #115 on:** March 11, 2014, 04:30:49 PM »

Quote from: AJK on March 11, 2014, 04:22:21 PM

Oiy, you continue to miss the point.

I think I get your point.

You are saying that other religions view our beliefs as just as illogical as we see theirs.

I understand this.

But just because someone has a different viewpoint means that it is correct or true. That is the crucial bit.

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And, finally, your continued presumptuousness to speak for all religions and non-religions beyond Judaism belies most everything you've posted.

Namely what?

AJK · « **Reply #116 on:** March 11, 2014, 04:34:19 PM »

Namely:

Quote from: wayfe on March 11, 2014, 04:10:16 PM

IT. IS. NOT. THE. SAME. THING.

wayfe · « **Reply #117 on:** March 11, 2014, 04:35:53 PM »

Quote from: AJK on March 11, 2014, 04:34:19 PM

Namely:
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IT. IS. NOT. THE. SAME. THING.

What you call presumptuousness, I call confidence.

Does real truth have any value in your eyes? Or does it have the exact same value as anything perceived as true by anybody?

Achas Veachas · « **Reply #118 on:** March 11, 2014, 04:37:58 PM »

Quote from: AJK on March 11, 2014, 04:06:43 PM

[insert here evangelical preacher saying a similar thing regarding holy water and crosses]

What do I care? if it helps them be better people and live more fulfilled lives (and as long as they don't use it as motivation to blow me up) let them enjoy...

aygart · « **Reply #119 on:** March 11, 2014, 04:40:51 PM »

Quote from: AJK on March 11, 2014, 04:22:21 PM

Oiy, you continue to miss the point.

You're failure to appreciate that others may have different viewpoints continues to be undercut your every post. You continually pointing to Judaism as the justification to all people who are not Jewish continues to undercut your every post. And, finally, your continued presumptuousness to speak for all religions and non-religions beyond Judaism belies most everything you've posted.

and therefore if we say anything based on our religious world view we are being arrogant etc.

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