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Original story:
http://www.dansdeals.com/go/Flight370/

TV coverage:
http://www.thelistshow.tv/the-list/localist/cleveland-localist/around-cleveland-malaysia-mystery-has-cle-connection-snow-totals-inch-up-and-meat-madness

Op-eds:
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/whats-the-deal-dan-fights-erupt-over-hareidi-racism/
https://www.facebook.com/mendytv/posts/10153967326120341?stream_ref=10
https://www.facebook.com/eliyahu.fink/posts/10102202420967555
http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/the-lighthouse/.premium-1.579393
http://blog.rabbijason.com/2014/03/shabbat-saved-life-malaysia-airlines.html
http://jewishvoiceny.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6932:parshat-zachor--hidden-but-clearly-visible&catid=114:parsha&Itemid=297
http://www.frumsatire.net/2014/03/12/jewish-guy-missed-doomed-malaysia-flight/

Story coverage:
http://forward.com/articles/194280/jewish-traveler-cheats-death-by-skipping-malaysia/?
http://www.jns.org/news-briefs/2014/3/12/jewish-passenger-cancels-trip-on-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-370-due-to-shabbat#.UyD_5oUXeJQ
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.579373
http://www.jpost.com/International/Jewish-passenger-saved-from-Malaysia-flight-by-travel-agent-who-wouldnt-book-him-on-Shabbat-345111
http://www.jns.org/news-briefs/2014/3/12/jewish-passenger-cancels-trip-on-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-370-due-to-shabbat#.UyD_7IUXeJQ
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/shabbat-saved-a-jew-from-the-malaysia-airlines-death-flight/2014/03/11/
http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/03/11/jewish-traveler-saved-from-lost-malaysia-flight-by-orthodox-agent-insisting-on-shabbat-observance/
http://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=29417&alias=saved-from-missing-flight-370
http://crownheights.info/jewish-news/428415/decision-not-to-fly-on-shabbos-saves-mans-life/
http://www.aish.com/jw/s/Tragedy-Averted.html
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/219162/saved-by-shabbos-a-chilling-and-awe-inspiring-malaysia-air-flight-370-story.html
http://www.shmais.com/chabad-news/item/a-chilling-and-awe-inspiring-malaysia-air-flight-370-story


Hebrew Coverage

http://www.kikarhashabat.co.il/%D7%91%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%9C-%D7%94%D7%A9%D7%91%D7%AA-%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%A6%D7%9C-%D7%9E%D7%94%D7%9E%D7%98%D7%95%D7%A1-%D7%94%D7%A0%D7%A2%D7%9C%D7%9D.html

http://www.shturem.net/index.php?section=news&id=70373

http://www.bhol.co.il/article.aspx?id=65957
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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #180 on: March 12, 2014, 10:40:11 PM »
I don't see what's so hard to understand.
Same thing would be if someone went to a church/mosque and their house collapsed at that time.

What would be the point of that story? Hashem decided to save this guy from having his house collapse on him. The fact that he was at church/mosque is irrelevant.
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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #181 on: March 12, 2014, 10:42:00 PM »
Its not that bad
Had to call back twice to get a clear line but you're right.

If anyone wants to listen it's 212-444-1100
Wait for the annoying commercials to end and then prompt 1 then 1 then 4.
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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #182 on: March 12, 2014, 10:42:23 PM »
What would be the point of that story? Hashem decided to save this guy from having his house collapse on him. The fact that he was at church/mosque is irrelevant.
::)
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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #183 on: March 12, 2014, 10:42:41 PM »
I liked the interview, Dan, but regarding all the negative feedback, as you had stated, is coming only from a deep guilt and desire to rationalize their misconstrued beliefs. I feel that feeding all this negativity and attention that they crave is only gonna add fuel to the fire. Ignoring them is best.

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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #184 on: March 12, 2014, 10:44:42 PM »
Yes, the victims' families definitely have deep guilt about their misconstrued beliefs  ::)
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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #185 on: March 12, 2014, 10:45:05 PM »
Had to call back twice to get a clear line but you're right.

If anyone wants to listen it's 212-444-1100
Wait for the annoying commercials to end and then prompt 1 then 1 then 4.
As soon as the first commercial ends you can press 1 then 1 then 4.

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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #186 on: March 12, 2014, 10:45:52 PM »
And we went round and round in circles...

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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #187 on: March 12, 2014, 10:46:23 PM »
Yes, the victims' families definitely have deep guilt about their misconstrued beliefs  ::)

I promise that none of the negativity is coming from them. It's the guilt that's eating these critics.

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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #188 on: March 12, 2014, 10:46:28 PM »
As soon as the first commercial ends you can press 1 then 1 then 4.
Is there an echo in here?
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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #189 on: March 12, 2014, 10:47:57 PM »
And we went round and round in circles...
You would think we could at least agree 1+1=2
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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #190 on: March 12, 2014, 10:48:12 PM »
I promise that none of the negativity is coming from them. It's the guilt that's eating these critics.
Indeed, there was no negativity from families of 9/11 victims who heard of a survivor.
My aunt survived 9/11 miraculously and came out with the story right away and there were no angries.  The angries come out once you mix in religion.

People that wish to deny will deny, simple as that.  They'll find 1000 excuses, but in the end of the day they are excuses.
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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #191 on: March 12, 2014, 10:48:52 PM »
Is there an echo in here?
yup

but my echo can save you 3 commercials, only the 1st one is mandatory

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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #192 on: March 12, 2014, 10:49:20 PM »
I promise that none of the negativity is coming from them. It's the guilt that's eating these critics.

See, unlike some, I shy away from presuming the inner thoughts of others. 

Instead, try to see things from their perspective, put yourself in their shoes from a less combative perspective.
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« Reply #193 on: March 12, 2014, 10:50:05 PM »
Indeed, there was no negativity from families of 9/11 victims who heard of a survivor.
My aunt survived 9/11 miraculously and came out with the story right away and there were no angries.  The angries come out once you mix in religion.

Apples and hand grenades, mon frere.

Did your aunt post on a blog with tens of thousands of readers?
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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #194 on: March 12, 2014, 10:50:23 PM »
You would think we could at least agree 1+1=2
Nah no shot. My best hope is they'll all agree to disagree and stop rehashing the same EXACT points and counterpoints.

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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #195 on: March 12, 2014, 10:50:52 PM »
See, unlike some, I shy away from presuming the inner thoughts of others. 

Instead, try to see things from their perspective, put yourself in their shoes from a less combative perspective.
I don't think it is permissible for a Yid to believe in coincidence.
Indeed, there was no negativity from families of 9/11 victims who heard of a survivor.
My aunt survived 9/11 miraculously and came out with the story right away and there were no angries.  The angries come out once you mix in religion.

People that wish to deny will deny, simple as that.  They'll find 1000 excuses, but in the end of the day they are excuses.

+10000.
That sums it all up.

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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #196 on: March 12, 2014, 10:51:23 PM »
I don't think it is permissible for a Yid to believe in coincidence.

Who said I believe in coincidence?

You make the same mistake many others have made. Utterly failing to see things from a perspective that isn't your own.
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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #197 on: March 12, 2014, 10:54:01 PM »
Who said I believe in coincidence?

You make the same mistake many others have made. Utterly failing to see things from a perspective that isn't your own.

The problem is that the perspective you want to see from is coming from Jews who want to deny Hashgacha Pratis! That is not permissible. The secular society has no issues with this story.

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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #198 on: March 12, 2014, 10:59:57 PM »
Why is this so hard for so many to understand?


Because, being that I believe in only one G-d, I'd know that if somebody was saved it was because
G-d desired it and not because he was serving another god.
I always wondered if a gentile does a Christian or Moslem ritual that doesn't bother anyone else but he did it to serve G-d why shouldn't he be rewarded for it even according to judaism. According to most Rishonim we believe in the same G-d.
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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #199 on: March 12, 2014, 11:02:10 PM »
I always wondered if a gentile does a Christian or Moslem ritual that doesn't bother anyone else but he did it to serve G-d why shouldn't he be rewarded for it even according to judaism. According to most Rishonim we believe in the same G-d.

We all believe in one G-d. I don't think we believe in the same One.
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