MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion

[aygart]

We all believe in one G-d. I don't think we believe in the same One.

let's not go off on that tangent

[CountValentine]

We all believe in one G-d.

More complicated for Catholics. 

[Dan]

More complicated for Catholics. 

Exactly why a Jew is permitted to enter a mosque but not a church...but let's not go there. At least not in this thread please.

[Dan]

Apples and hand grenades, mon frere.

Did your aunt post on a blog with tens of thousands of readers?

I believe it was on news sites bigger than mine, yes.

[Ergel]

I don't think it is permissible for a Yid to believe in coincidence.

The Ramban at the beginning of parshas vaera that only tzadikim have hashgacha pratis and that everyone else has hashgacha klalis. Is it permissible to believe that?

[HP58]

Exactly why a Jew is permitted to enter a mosque but not a church...but let's not go there. At least not in this thread please.

Where? The "Thread to Help Me With Words/Phrases"?

[HP58]

The Ramban at the beginning of parshas vaera that only tzadikim have hashgacha pratis and that everyone else has hashgacha klalis. Is it permissible to believe that?

It's not by "Ki yedativ lemaan asher yetzaveh es banav", where he says it's a "yediah sheyesh bo mamash"?

[CountValentine]

Where? The "Thread to Help Me With Words/Phrases"?

No need for I fully understand what Judaism has to do with this story even if I don't agree fully.

[wayfe]

You would think we could at least agree 1+1=2

Which 1 + which 1?

You seem to be a smart guy, and I mean no offense. But here's the way I see it.

In my world, there is only one G-d and that automatically denies the possibility of any other. My G-d has given clear instructions on how to serve Him, and promises to reward those who serve Him. If somebody serves another god, and is saved from a tragedy I can't say that he was saved by the god he was serving, because I know that that god doesn't exist. So I know that it was my G-d who saved him. But there I can perceive no clear reason for him being saved (as this is not a case of it being a reward or payment for the service of G-d)* other than the mercy of G-d.

Is this then that illogical?

*of course, he may have merited being saved for doing a good deed, by which he was in essence serving G-d. Then it would be a case of reward/payment.

[rivkao]

The Ramban at the beginning of parshas vaera that only tzadikim have hashgacha pratis and that everyone else has hashgacha klalis. Is it permissible to believe that?

Hashgacha Klalis is not coincidence!

[Ergel]

Hashgacha Klalis is not coincidence!

It's not hashgacha pratis

[CountValentine]

Is this then that illogical?

It is logical, I understand it but I just don't agree with all of it.

[rivkao]

It's not hashgacha pratis

The comments were referring to the story as mere coincidence, and that is against our belief!

[CountValentine]

The comments were referring to the story as mere coincidence, and that is against our belief!

Stay true to your beliefs and let others stay true to theirs (insert RK).

[CS1]

The Ramban at the beginning of parshas vaera that only tzadikim have hashgacha pratis and that everyone else has hashgacha klalis. Is it permissible to believe that?

IMO, if you believe that, then one is limiting Hashem and His abilities.

His love is so deep for each person that He is fully aware of all destinies and all our potential and power that exists within us to change ours for the better.

[ilherman]

Dan, I didn't know you don't know Yiddish..... For a nominal fee I can start teaching you, If you want it for free we can work out a deal, you'll teach me English and I'll teach you Yiddish

I'll start, you don't say I have a friend a Chassidishe Yingeleit, you say a Chssidishe Yingerman 

[Dan]

Lol. If the chabad mesivtas that have secular studies are behind in one area its definitely Yiddish.

Frankly I think I got farther with the secular studies than I would have got learning Yiddish but YMMV

[MeirS]

Dan, I didn't know you don't know Yiddish..... For a nominal fee I can start teaching you, If you want it for free we can work out a deal, you'll teach me English and I'll teach you Yiddish

I'll start, you don't say I have a friend a Chassidishe Yingeleit, you say a Chssidishe Yingerman 

If you want to be a good teacher than you have to explain. Yungerman is singular, Yungeleit is plural.

[Bostener]

Very nice KM interview.

+1

I can't understand a word I'm saying. The audio quality is terrible.

Your interview is by far more clearer then some of the other interviews on that hotline.

[rots5]

http://blog.rabbijason.com/2014/03/shabbat-saved-life-malaysia-airlines.html
http://forward.com/articles/194280/jewish-traveler-cheats-death-by-skipping-malaysia/?
http://www.jns.org/news-briefs/2014/3/12/jewish-passenger-cancels-trip-on-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-370-due-to-shabbat#.UyD_5oUXeJQ
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.579373
http://www.jpost.com/International/Jewish-passenger-saved-from-Malaysia-flight-by-travel-agent-who-wouldnt-book-him-on-Shabbat-345111
http://www.jns.org/news-briefs/2014/3/12/jewish-passenger-cancels-trip-on-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-370-due-to-shabbat#.UyD_7IUXeJQ
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/shabbat-saved-a-jew-from-the-malaysia-airlines-death-flight/2014/03/11/
http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/03/11/jewish-traveler-saved-from-lost-malaysia-flight-by-orthodox-agent-insisting-on-shabbat-observance/
http://jewishvoiceny.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6932:parshat-zachor--hidden-but-clearly-visible&catid=114:parsha&Itemid=297
http://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=29417&alias=saved-from-missing-flight-370
http://crownheights.info/jewish-news/428415/decision-not-to-fly-on-shabbos-saves-mans-life/
http://www.aish.com/jw/s/Tragedy-Averted.html
http://www.frumsatire.net/2014/03/12/jewish-guy-missed-doomed-malaysia-flight/
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/219162/saved-by-shabbos-a-chilling-and-awe-inspiring-malaysia-air-flight-370-story.html
http://www.shmais.com/chabad-news/item/a-chilling-and-awe-inspiring-malaysia-air-flight-370-story

Dan you do realize the first link is calling you a hoax, and he thinks that you have a TA service and you conjured up the story to gain more PR.

Someone should tell him, working with jews in retail is worse than hell....

Who is eliyahu fink who also wrote against you? Is he the assistant rabbi in New Rochelle?