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Original story:
http://www.dansdeals.com/go/Flight370/

TV coverage:
http://www.thelistshow.tv/the-list/localist/cleveland-localist/around-cleveland-malaysia-mystery-has-cle-connection-snow-totals-inch-up-and-meat-madness

Op-eds:
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/whats-the-deal-dan-fights-erupt-over-hareidi-racism/
https://www.facebook.com/mendytv/posts/10153967326120341?stream_ref=10
https://www.facebook.com/eliyahu.fink/posts/10102202420967555
http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/the-lighthouse/.premium-1.579393
http://blog.rabbijason.com/2014/03/shabbat-saved-life-malaysia-airlines.html
http://jewishvoiceny.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6932:parshat-zachor--hidden-but-clearly-visible&catid=114:parsha&Itemid=297
http://www.frumsatire.net/2014/03/12/jewish-guy-missed-doomed-malaysia-flight/

Story coverage:
http://forward.com/articles/194280/jewish-traveler-cheats-death-by-skipping-malaysia/?
http://www.jns.org/news-briefs/2014/3/12/jewish-passenger-cancels-trip-on-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-370-due-to-shabbat#.UyD_5oUXeJQ
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.579373
http://www.jpost.com/International/Jewish-passenger-saved-from-Malaysia-flight-by-travel-agent-who-wouldnt-book-him-on-Shabbat-345111
http://www.jns.org/news-briefs/2014/3/12/jewish-passenger-cancels-trip-on-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-370-due-to-shabbat#.UyD_7IUXeJQ
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/shabbat-saved-a-jew-from-the-malaysia-airlines-death-flight/2014/03/11/
http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/03/11/jewish-traveler-saved-from-lost-malaysia-flight-by-orthodox-agent-insisting-on-shabbat-observance/
http://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=29417&alias=saved-from-missing-flight-370
http://crownheights.info/jewish-news/428415/decision-not-to-fly-on-shabbos-saves-mans-life/
http://www.aish.com/jw/s/Tragedy-Averted.html
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/219162/saved-by-shabbos-a-chilling-and-awe-inspiring-malaysia-air-flight-370-story.html
http://www.shmais.com/chabad-news/item/a-chilling-and-awe-inspiring-malaysia-air-flight-370-story


Hebrew Coverage

http://www.kikarhashabat.co.il/%D7%91%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%9C-%D7%94%D7%A9%D7%91%D7%AA-%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%A6%D7%9C-%D7%9E%D7%94%D7%9E%D7%98%D7%95%D7%A1-%D7%94%D7%A0%D7%A2%D7%9C%D7%9D.html

http://www.shturem.net/index.php?section=news&id=70373

http://www.bhol.co.il/article.aspx?id=65957
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Author Topic: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion  (Read 48537 times)

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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #210 on: March 12, 2014, 11:25:12 PM »
The Ramban at the beginning of parshas vaera that only tzadikim have hashgacha pratis and that everyone else has hashgacha klalis. Is it permissible to believe that?
Hashgacha Klalis is not coincidence!

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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #211 on: March 12, 2014, 11:26:48 PM »
Hashgacha Klalis is not coincidence!
It's not hashgacha pratis
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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #212 on: March 12, 2014, 11:30:41 PM »
Is this then that illogical?
It is logical, I understand it but I just don't agree with all of it.
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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #213 on: March 12, 2014, 11:31:59 PM »
It's not hashgacha pratis
The comments were referring to the story as mere coincidence, and that is against our belief!

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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #214 on: March 12, 2014, 11:37:18 PM »
The comments were referring to the story as mere coincidence, and that is against our belief!
Stay true to your beliefs and let others stay true to theirs (insert RK).
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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #215 on: March 13, 2014, 12:10:06 AM »
The Ramban at the beginning of parshas vaera that only tzadikim have hashgacha pratis and that everyone else has hashgacha klalis. Is it permissible to believe that?
IMO, if you believe that, then one is limiting Hashem and His abilities.

His love is so deep for each person that He is fully aware of all destinies and all our potential and power that exists within us to change ours for the better.

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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #216 on: March 13, 2014, 12:39:57 AM »
Dan, I didn't know you don't know Yiddish..... For a nominal fee I can start teaching you, If you want it for free we can work out a deal, you'll teach me English and I'll teach you Yiddish ;)

I'll start, you don't say I have a friend a Chassidishe Yingeleit, you say a Chssidishe Yingerman  ;D ;D ;D ;D

You can say what you think when you think what you say.

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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #217 on: March 13, 2014, 12:43:51 AM »
Lol. If the chabad mesivtas that have secular studies are behind in one area its definitely Yiddish.

Frankly I think I got farther with the secular studies than I would have got learning Yiddish but YMMV ;)
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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #218 on: March 13, 2014, 01:19:06 AM »
Dan, I didn't know you don't know Yiddish..... For a nominal fee I can start teaching you, If you want it for free we can work out a deal, you'll teach me English and I'll teach you Yiddish ;)

I'll start, you don't say I have a friend a Chassidishe Yingeleit, you say a Chssidishe Yingerman  ;D ;D ;D ;D
If you want to be a good teacher than you have to explain. Yungerman is singular, Yungeleit is plural.

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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #219 on: March 13, 2014, 04:02:19 AM »
Very nice KM interview.
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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #220 on: March 13, 2014, 04:23:28 AM »
http://blog.rabbijason.com/2014/03/shabbat-saved-life-malaysia-airlines.html
http://forward.com/articles/194280/jewish-traveler-cheats-death-by-skipping-malaysia/?
http://www.jns.org/news-briefs/2014/3/12/jewish-passenger-cancels-trip-on-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-370-due-to-shabbat#.UyD_5oUXeJQ
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.579373
http://www.jpost.com/International/Jewish-passenger-saved-from-Malaysia-flight-by-travel-agent-who-wouldnt-book-him-on-Shabbat-345111
http://www.jns.org/news-briefs/2014/3/12/jewish-passenger-cancels-trip-on-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-370-due-to-shabbat#.UyD_7IUXeJQ
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/shabbat-saved-a-jew-from-the-malaysia-airlines-death-flight/2014/03/11/
http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/03/11/jewish-traveler-saved-from-lost-malaysia-flight-by-orthodox-agent-insisting-on-shabbat-observance/
http://jewishvoiceny.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6932:parshat-zachor--hidden-but-clearly-visible&catid=114:parsha&Itemid=297
http://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=29417&alias=saved-from-missing-flight-370
http://crownheights.info/jewish-news/428415/decision-not-to-fly-on-shabbos-saves-mans-life/
http://www.aish.com/jw/s/Tragedy-Averted.html
http://www.frumsatire.net/2014/03/12/jewish-guy-missed-doomed-malaysia-flight/
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/219162/saved-by-shabbos-a-chilling-and-awe-inspiring-malaysia-air-flight-370-story.html
http://www.shmais.com/chabad-news/item/a-chilling-and-awe-inspiring-malaysia-air-flight-370-story
Dan you do realize the first link is calling you a hoax, and he thinks that you have a TA service and you conjured up the story to gain more PR.

Someone should tell him, working with jews in retail is worse than hell.... ???

Who is eliyahu fink who also wrote against you? Is he the assistant rabbi in New Rochelle?
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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #221 on: March 13, 2014, 04:56:32 AM »
Those that really really don't believe in Hashgacha Pratis wouldn't care about this story, those that don't want to believe in Hashgacha Pratis hate this story.
+1000

Biggest proof is how positive the non-Jewish response is, and how all the negative response is coming from non-frum and MO
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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #222 on: March 13, 2014, 05:26:33 AM »
IMO, if you believe that, then one is limiting Hashem and His abilities.

His love is so deep for each person that He is fully aware of all destinies and all our potential and power that exists within us to change ours for the better.
he was quoting a ramban. your opinion is less than meaningless on the matter.

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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #223 on: March 13, 2014, 05:40:46 AM »
he was quoting a ramban. your opinion is less than meaningless on the matter.
+100.
Couldn't have said that better myself.

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Re: MH370 Shabbos Story Discussion
« Reply #224 on: March 13, 2014, 07:57:40 AM »
I don't get it, even if the guy would have been saved because he was stuck in traffic that would still make for an amazing story (and for Frum Yidden, an amazing case of HP), why does it become less amazing (and more offensive) just because shabbos is involved? If you don't believe in HP or in the power of shabbos then focus on the main part of the story, someone narrowly escaped being on that ill fated flight.
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