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Re: MISSING IN MONSEY: 50-Year-Old Peretz Sontag
« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2014, 04:26:01 PM »
We most definitely can
if it was bechira or not? How would you know?
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Re: MISSING IN MONSEY: 50-Year-Old Peretz Sontag
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2014, 04:30:00 PM »
if it was bechira or not? How would you know?

when they find him and ask

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Re: MISSING IN MONSEY: 50-Year-Old Peretz Sontag
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2014, 04:37:38 PM »
when they find him and ask
It can happen that a person does something that was not a bechira decision. There's no way we can judge what other people do.
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Re: MISSING IN MONSEY: 50-Year-Old Peretz Sontag
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2014, 04:42:49 PM »
they can't call his CC company to see where he's spending money?
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Re: MISSING IN MONSEY: 50-Year-Old Peretz Sontag
« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2014, 04:43:33 PM »
they can't call his CC company to see where he's spending money?
cash?
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Re: MISSING IN MONSEY: 50-Year-Old Peretz Sontag
« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2014, 04:48:22 PM »
It can happen that a person does something that was not a bechira decision. There's no way we can judge what other people do.

Based on that logic we can't judge we do ourselves. Too deep for me.

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Re: MISSING IN MONSEY: 50-Year-Old Peretz Sontag
« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2014, 04:53:27 PM »
they can't call his CC company to see where he's spending money?
I'm sure before they traced his cellphone calls they called his banks...

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Re: MISSING IN MONSEY: 50-Year-Old Peretz Sontag
« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2014, 04:56:47 PM »
Based on that logic we can't judge we do ourselves. Too deep for me.
We can't judge ourselves. We can only try our best to do the right thing, and hope that if we don't succeed that it's not for lack of trying. We can also be comforted by the fact that Hashem knows if something was truly out of our control and if we shouldn't / can't be judged for it.
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Re: MISSING IN MONSEY: 50-Year-Old Peretz Sontag
« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2014, 05:01:06 PM »
We can't judge ourselves. We can only try our best to do the right thing, and hope that if we don't succeed that it's not for lack of trying. We can also be comforted by the fact that Hashem knows if something was truly out of our control and if we shouldn't / can't be judged for it.
The ONLY one we can judge is ourselves....

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Re: MISSING IN MONSEY: 50-Year-Old Peretz Sontag
« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2014, 05:02:01 PM »
The ONLY one we can judge is ourselves....

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Re: MISSING IN MONSEY: 50-Year-Old Peretz Sontag
« Reply #30 on: March 20, 2014, 05:02:36 PM »
The ONLY one we can judge is ourselves....
We can, but only to a certain point
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Re: MISSING IN MONSEY: 50-Year-Old Peretz Sontag
« Reply #31 on: March 20, 2014, 05:08:43 PM »
We can, but only to a certain point
True, just as you shouldn't be too lenient on yourself you should also not be too harsh on yourself.


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[The Rebbe Rasha"b said: Truth is the middle path. An inclination to the right, to be overly stringent with oneself and find faults or sins not in accord with the truth, or an inclination to the left, to be overly indulgent, covering one's faults or being lenient in demands of avoda out of self-love - both these ways are false.
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Re: MISSING IN MONSEY: 50-Year-Old Peretz Sontag
« Reply #32 on: March 20, 2014, 05:12:53 PM »
It's sad. Yesterday I drove around for a few hours in looking for the car.
This reminds me of another story http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2012-06-30/news/fl-guma-aguiar-troubled-life-20120630_1_ellen-aguiar-rocky-seas-guma-aguiar

May they be find safe very soon.

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Re: MISSING IN MONSEY: 50-Year-Old Peretz Sontag
« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2014, 05:40:19 PM »
The ONLY one we can judge is ourselves....
When I saw that, I was going to post that you must be a lubavitcher. Then I saw you posted from hayom yom

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Re: MISSING IN MONSEY: 50-Year-Old Peretz Sontag
« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2014, 05:46:39 PM »
The ONLY one we can judge is ourselves....
When I saw that, I was going to post that you must be a lubavitcher...
I don't think it's a Lubavitch concept...

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Re: MISSING IN MONSEY: 50-Year-Old Peretz Sontag
« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2014, 06:01:36 PM »
When I saw that, I was going to post that you must be a lubavitcher...
I don't think it's a Lubavitch concept...

No, it's not. But people who actually believe it are usually Lubavitchers.

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Re: MISSING IN MONSEY: 50-Year-Old Peretz Sontag
« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2014, 06:05:16 PM »
lets keep this thread on topic
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: MISSING IN MONSEY: 50-Year-Old Peretz Sontag
« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2014, 06:06:47 PM »
That would be against DDF policy.... ;D ;D

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Re: MISSING IN MONSEY: 50-Year-Old Peretz Sontag
« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2014, 06:55:52 PM »
It can happen that a person does something that was not a bechira decision. There's no way we can judge what other people do.
.... And how does S'char V'onesh work (in Beis Din)?
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Re: MISSING IN MONSEY: 50-Year-Old Peretz Sontag
« Reply #39 on: March 20, 2014, 07:18:23 PM »
.... And how does S'char V'onesh work (in Beis Din)?
We also believe that  if Hashem lets Beis Din do something to a person, it's because He wants it to happen. No? There are many possible "explanations", and there are also times when a person can't be punished by Beis Din because of lack of witnesses etc.

We don't have to worry about these things; there's Someone else in charge...
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