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Filters for PC:
Call TAG 718-225-5824 (718-Call-TAG)
www.usanativ.com           8-12/mo 95-140/yr per 2 devices     
www.techloq.com (Windows)            9.49/mo 99.49/yr per device
www.NetFree.link (Windows)            free
www.netsafepro.com           10-12/mo per device 9-10/mo additional
www.netsparkmobile.com/ (Android and Windows)            9.50/mo 89/yr per device
www.covenanteyes.com/services/internet-filtering / http://webchaver.org/filtering.php           15.99/mo unlimited devices scree captures
www.netnanny.com (Android, iOS, PC, Mac)           40/yr 55/yr per device
https://truple.io (Android, Windows, Mac, Linux, Chromebook [iOS coming soon]) - randomly captures and shares screenshots with accountability partner.                                    5-16/mo 50-160/yr (ranging from 1-unlimited devices)

http://www.livigent.com
==built on Livigent==
www.meshimer.com                      8-15/mo per device
www.geder.org
www.gentechsolution.com                   39/qtr per device

More info see https://venishmartem.com/

Israel
https://www.tagisrael.org/
http://www.etrog.net.il/
http://www.enativ.com/
http://netfree.link/
http://www.rimon.net.il/
http://shomer.shoresh.org.il/

For Windows Phone
www.safekiddo.com/en_us/

For Android
https://truple.io/androidfilter.html (Free android filter)

For iPhone/iPad/iOs
Check out their quite easy and powerful content restrictions.
Suggestion: Have someone else have the password (or half and half with a spouse) and do the following:
Lock installing apps + remove browser + add apps you need (possible rules: no games, no sports, no entertainment, etc.).
[Occasionally an app will have a built in browser/or need to access a certain website - just go back in to settings (with password) and add that website].
There is time restrictions and more features too.
(May not be enough for teenagers - consult your own advisers - this solution sure beats doing nothing and there is no excuse)

DNS
https://www.opendns.com/ (can be used in routers or directly in PC)
https://cleanbrowsing.org

Pricing info may not be accurate and is only on full filters (not email only), feel free to correct, and does not include installation costs. I am working on a comprehensive comparison list
here it is
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Re: Internet Filters
« Reply #2325 on: March 19, 2020, 06:08:16 AM »
Looking for a filter for a router. https://cleanbrowsing.org/ is mentioned in the wiki. Any reviews? Any other suggestions? Thanks.

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Re: Internet Filters
« Reply #2326 on: March 19, 2020, 07:22:34 AM »
Looking for a filter for a router. https://cleanbrowsing.org/ is mentioned in the wiki. Any reviews? Any other suggestions? Thanks.
Using the free version on a router and had no issues so far. I started using it instead of OpenDNS after reading this comparison which rates it the best between the options https://hackernoon.com/porn-filters-compared-opendns-neustar-cleanbrowsing-norton-yandex-and-adguard-41f207062c4

Two issues (not such issues for me though): No block page, it just doesn't load the site. And no customizations.

Two things to keep in mind: What if there device has DNS server manually set, do you have some kind of port 53 redirection rule on the router? And does this prevent people using DoH (which Firefox uses nowadays by default)?

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Re: Internet Filters
« Reply #2327 on: March 19, 2020, 07:47:04 AM »
Using the free version on a router and had no issues so far. I started using it instead of OpenDNS after reading this comparison which rates it the best between the options https://hackernoon.com/porn-filters-compared-opendns-neustar-cleanbrowsing-norton-yandex-and-adguard-41f207062c4

Two issues (not such issues for me though): No block page, it just doesn't load the site. And no customizations.

Two things to keep in mind: What if there device has DNS server manually set, do you have some kind of port 53 redirection rule on the router? And does this prevent people using DoH (which Firefox uses nowadays by default)?
Thanks for your thoughtful reply (as always). Please explain the "two things to keep in mind" for non-techies.

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Re: Internet Filters
« Reply #2328 on: March 19, 2020, 08:19:21 AM »
Question re the DNS filters:
They are not password protected, so anyone who knows how, can simply change the numbers, no? Any way to set up a password (or something similar) for this? Maybe a password for access to router settings?

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Re: Internet Filters
« Reply #2329 on: March 19, 2020, 09:03:35 AM »
Thanks for your thoughtful reply (as always). Please explain the "two things to keep in mind" for non-techies.
That's quite a challenge! Those things are really technical... but let's try somewhat and you can complement it with some searches in Rav Google.

1) What are those "clean" DNS filters anyway? DNS is like a phone book ("internet address book"), you enter google.com in your browser address bar and the computer asks from the DNS provider where Google is physically located (which is the IP address/s the server is at.) So when you use one of those services like CleanBrowsing or OpenDNS they will just stick out their tongue when a request for a blocked site comes to them, they'll either not respond with an address or they'll respond with the IP address where their block page is located...

Makes sense so far?...

Now to the 1st "keep in mind", the default for most devices will be that their DNS server is the router, and the router has the actual DNS provider server settings for this. Hence when you change the DNS provider on the router, all clients (devices) will rely on this and be filtered. BUT this is only the default setting on the device, but almost every device allows you to easily change the devices DNS provider to rely on another server (i.e. Google's 8.8.8.8, CloudFlare's 1.1.1.1, or OpenDNS's fully open server) and in that case they'll just not ask anything from the router and will not be filtered.

The way to prevent this (but this is an advanced thing, and it depends on every router specifically if you can do it) is by blocking (see here) or redirecting/intercepting (see here, this is much better but also harder to set up and fewer routers support it) all DNS traffic and allowing only the one from the service your using.

2) This DoH thing is related to point 1, but it's a new thing being rapidly adapted. It changes the way those DNS requests are made, instead of using DNS requests to a server (requests that are not private, and your ISP etc can see which websites you're trying to use) this technology make a private DNS request to special servers.

This technology generally takes away any control the router has on DNS, even the default DNS will be on the computer or browser level. Firefox has enabled this thing by default for most or all users recently, rendering a lot of this kind of filter useless. (See here that they are planning to implement something to make it work, but I don't think that is already in place, https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2019/07/31/dns-over-https-doh-update-detecting-managed-networks-and-user-choice/)

Nuff? To apply this info to your individual setup I'm not gonna be able to help you.

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Re: Internet Filters
« Reply #2330 on: March 19, 2020, 09:23:26 AM »
That was perfect!
Considering all that, what percentage of success would you give CleanBrowsing? In other words, I don't need 100% perfection. How close to that would it be? I realize it is a guess - but an educated one.
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Re: Internet Filters
« Reply #2331 on: March 19, 2020, 10:18:54 AM »
That was perfect!
Considering all that, what percentage of success would you give CleanBrowsing? In other words, I don't need 100% perfection. How close to that would it be? I realize it is a guess - but an educated one.
Thanks again.
Really has to do with who you are blocking...

But I'd say it will work in most "normal"/"simple" use cases.

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Re: Internet Filters
« Reply #2332 on: March 19, 2020, 10:21:06 AM »
Really has to do with who you are blocking...

But I'd say it will work in most "normal"/"simple" use cases.
Thank you!

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Re: Internet Filters
« Reply #2333 on: March 21, 2020, 04:45:12 PM »
Looking for a filter for a router. https://cleanbrowsing.org/ is mentioned in the wiki. Any reviews? Any other suggestions? Thanks.
Just want to point out that router-level filters usually block bad sites but not bad content.  So, for example, if you weren't blocking google images...
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Re: Internet Filters
« Reply #2334 on: March 21, 2020, 10:02:32 PM »
Just want to point out that router-level filters usually block bad sites but not bad content.  So, for example, if you weren't blocking google images...
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Re: Internet Filters
« Reply #2335 on: March 22, 2020, 11:17:37 AM »
Set DNS to 208.67.222.123 and 208.67.220.123 on router

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Re: Internet Filters
« Reply #2336 on: March 22, 2020, 02:56:46 PM »
Set DNS to 208.67.222.123 and 208.67.220.123 on router
are you addressing this?
Just want to point out that router-level filters usually block bad sites but not bad content.  So, for example, if you weren't blocking google images...

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Re: Internet Filters
« Reply #2337 on: March 22, 2020, 04:07:56 PM »
are you addressing this?
No. He skipped the whole conversation and just mentioned the OpenDNS Family Shield (this is the customizable version of the OpenDNS filter) DNS addresses.

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Re: Internet Filters
« Reply #2338 on: March 22, 2020, 04:52:16 PM »
Using the free version on a router and had no issues so far. I started using it instead of OpenDNS after reading this comparison which rates it the best between the options https://hackernoon.com/porn-filters-compared-opendns-neustar-cleanbrowsing-norton-yandex-and-adguard-41f207062c4

Two issues (not such issues for me though): No block page, it just doesn't load the site. And no customizations.

Two things to keep in mind: What if there device has DNS server manually set, do you have some kind of port 53 redirection rule on the router? And does this prevent people using DoH (which Firefox uses nowadays by default)?
Try finding a gpo to limit the dns edit.

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Re: Internet Filters
« Reply #2339 on: March 23, 2020, 12:31:21 PM »
Try finding a gpo to limit the dns edit.
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