Internet Filters

[DH Data Recovery]

That's not what I'm saying at all. Every product has to fix its vulnerabilities after the first release, this is the reality. Just like K9 in its first few releases was very easily bypassed and now its more difficult, this one requires some fine tuning as well. We stood by K9 as a filter and installed it despite its gaping flaws in the first few years - I see no reason for this to be different

[myuser]

That's not what I'm saying at all. Every product has to fix its vulnerabilities after the first release, this is the reality. Just like K9 in its first few releases was very easily bypassed and now its more difficult, this one requires some fine tuning as well. We stood by K9 as a filter and installed it despite its gaping flaws in the first few years - I see no reason for this to be different

Yep, you will explain this to all people who will laugh at this product.

[DH Data Recovery]

Your original arguments about 20 pages ago had some valid points and we discussed them at length, this last one feels a little more personal than legitimate..

[Baruch]

I disagree with publishing ways around filters. You can make the point just as well by writing that you can type a few letters into the command, and remove the filter.
I also believe that the Moderators should black out the details of how to remove a filter.
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[myuser]

I disagree with publishing ways around filters. You can make the point just as well by writing that you can type a few letters into the command, and remove the filter.

No, because people will not believe it and this product is becoming bias look at what Satmar is doing and others are looking to follow this disease has to be stopped, I had enough when I worked at B&H Photo I don't need this to intrude my personal life and jeopardize the upbringing of my kids.

[myuser]

I also believe that the Moderators should black out the details of how to remove a filter.
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It's no point I got this from the Internet and it looks like it's going to be all over.

[DH Data Recovery]

How is this jeopardizing your kids?? If you don't like it - don't use it! There were many ways to get around K9 did you go to filtering groups and tell them not to use it?? K9 was around for years and just recently fixed the flaw and you are completely behind them, and yet a dif company releases a filter for a month or two and you expose a flaw - not to the company but to the users and don't give them the same courtesy to fix it, all under the guise that this is threatening your kids??

[myuser]

How is this jeopardizing your kids?? If you don't like it - don't use it! There were many ways to get around K9 did you go to filtering groups and tell them not to use it?? K9 was around for years and just recently fixed the flaw and you are completely behind them, and yet a dif company releases a filter for a month or two and you expose a flaw - not to the company but to the users and don't give them the same courtesy to fix it, all under the guise that this is threatening your kids??

Stop crying let's talk reality this product the way it is today and with the simple way to disable it, is this a solution to recommend and for TAG to use instead of K9 again based on the situation today?

[DH Data Recovery]

Once again, your not being honest with yourself. Your bad experience in B&H or your children's school are clouding your judgement.

[chaimfried]

As the OP said, each home (jewish or not) should have an internet filter.

The conversation of wow its by passable and how easy it is to by pass, is IMHO a stupid one. Its a computer, if you installed software to do one thing you can remove that and do it another way. Or you can easily by pass it by not booting to that OS (Bootable USB anyone?).

Its trivia at most to by pass any software based filter. Publishing how to bypass is extremely important as its the only way people will be aware that its worthless.

In general there are 2 types of filters:
1. Software based (worthless).
2. Network based.

Network based filters can further be divided into 2 categories:
a. Premises based protection (open dns enforced on a router, Sonicwall, websense etc).
b. Provider based protection (jnet, yeshivanet etc).

Each of the above has its uses, (a) above is best for companies that dont want to use just one provider. Easy and quick control and the whos/whats and when.
(b) above is excellent for smaller and home based businesses.

If one wants a filter and they are a small or home based business, then using (a) above they can just bypass the physical box and plug directly into the unfiltered Internet. It is therefore probably worthless in small businesses.

The software based solutions has only one use, and that is for a user working in an environment where they will not spend money for filtering, in which case k9 or the likes should do the job.

If a filter is bypassable but how to by pass it is not published, then it ends up being a compliance paper to get your kids into school and nothing with filtering, more like a bus pass that transportation has been paid.

[myuser]

chaimfried, I am with you I have no disagreement a filter should be placed on every computer or on any device connecting to the Internet.

Our conversations goes a step further where organizations are looking to enforce a particular solution claiming their product is better protected than others like the free K9, therefore making rules not to accept kids without their recommend solution.

I felt obligated to post how simple its to remove their recommend filter it's a wake-up call for them to reconsider what they are doing, stop playing with our kids and using them as a tool to enforce your new moneymaking machine called filter.

[Baruch]

I use K9, being that I am not tech savvy, it works perfect for me.I am not interested in knowing ways to bypass it. If you publish a way to bypass it, you are uninstalling the filter to my computer. If you want to take responsibility for uninstalling the filter on many not tech savvy people's computers, go ahead and publish the bypass. The ends don't always justify the means. It is irresponsible IMHO to publish filter bypasses.
 

[DH Data Recovery]

@myuser I really don't see how your showing a weakness in a filter helps your cause? If I put up a link explaining how to make a bootable Windows USB am I exposing the weakness in all filters???
Your logic is really very hard to follow, it shows how you clearly have an ax to grind with this specific filter. How exactly does showing a weakness translate into a wake up call for them to stop playing with your children's lives. If you would say showing a weakness should be a wake up call for them to update and patch any vulnerabilities - I would understand you reasoning, but when you say exposing the flaws of a filter will make them reconsider creating a filter - that doesn't make any sense! By your line of reasoning anyone that ever invented anything should've stopped if it wasn't perfect on the first try

[myuser]

I use K9, being that I am not tech savvy, it works perfect for me.I am not interested in knowing ways to bypass it. If you publish a way to bypass it, you are uninstalling the filter to my computer. If you want to take responsibility for uninstalling the filter on many not tech savvy people's computers, go ahead and publish the bypass. The ends don't always justify the means. It is irresponsible IMHO to publish filter bypasses.

Baruch, I am no different then you I currently have a laptop I have K9 installed by TAG and very happy with zero issues, it would be very upsetting for someone to give me how to bypass the K9 filter it would remove the only protection I am proud and using since last years Asifa.

I really don't care about Venishmartem VCF Pro filter if people like it let it be so there are hundreds of different filtering products people are using the more products providing filtering solutions the better it is for the people like me using it.

The reason why I decided to post how to bypass the Livigent filter was because Meshimer filter which is the same family with all Livigent filter products.

As said previously I am Satmar and it's going to be mandatory to have installed the Meshimer filter you might not know too much about Livigent but as explained I used to work at B&H Photo and I know too much about this product as I explained already on previous posts, I decided to publish how simple and easy it's to bypass Livigent before the product has a chance to enter my computer by Meshimer and interfere with my personal life If they will enforce it for me and others at least we will know how to go about bypassing it.

All you people posting her are in a different position believe me I would love to be with you, therefore until now I just gave some education of the problems around Livigent and hoping organizations I love and used to volunteer TAG will not go in this direction until a better solution than K9 is available.

They sold Livigent as the unbreakable product, I found on the Internet how simple its to bypassed therefore I decided to share it with more people, I feel now Satmar considering enforcing this product will think twice they are not completely crazy and not looking to make themselves to fools.

[myuser]

DH Data Recovery, I know it's not easy on you as you provided work for Venishmartem VCF maybe advise them to consider focusing on VCF Websense if they are still doing it or have them go to Livigent they claim invested $6 million and invest another $6 million to make it more difficult to disable it.

[myuser]

Bottom line, is Venishmartem legit? worth promoting them?

I hope you got the message clear today otherwise you will get the message in a month from now

[elikay]

I disagree with publishing ways around filters. You can make the point just as well by writing that you can type a few letters into the command, and remove the filter.
I also believe that the Moderators should black out the details of how to remove a filter.
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+1000,000
No yid should ever be a mesayea ledvar  aveira.

[myuser]

+1000,000
No yid should ever be a mesayea ledvar  aveira.

I am very proud and explain myself the 1000,000 you should use for the ones politicizing Internet filtering and for them being the mesayea ledvar aveira, I still installed more filters at TAG them all you combined.

[Steven]

I disagree with publishing ways around filters. You can make the point just as well by writing that you can type a few letters into the command, and remove the filter.
I also believe that the Moderators should black out the details of how to remove a filter.
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+1000
Totally unnecessary. .

[myuser]

+1000
Totally unnecessary. .

Sorry it's not a filter it's a cult