Author Topic: Southern Africa (SA/Zim/Zam/Botswana/Namibia) Master Thread (Read 479145 times)

Saulius · « **Reply #1200 on:** May 27, 2018, 11:04:12 AM »

Quote from: yitzyul on May 27, 2018, 02:45:13 AM

1) SIm cards and airtime are very cheap I would just purchase one at the Airport. If dts is important such as gps then Tmobile is worthless there
2) No difference which side you fly. I would recommend flying to one and leaving from the other. I walked the falls on both sides in 1/2 day. hotels are better in Zim and stay one close to falls so you can walk everywhere. Make sure to buy the unlimited visa so you can go back and forth.

1. MTN Sim Cards can be bought in a shop for 2 rands. One can buy sim cards in the Woolworths store in the airport. At arrivals, there is a company Virgin Mobile that gives out free sim cards. Otherwise, getting a sim card can be a hassle, due to RICA legislation, one has to show ID, and proof of address. (Tourists can get away by showing proof of accommodations)

2. Zimbabwean side - is a much better view, although one should visit both sides to fully appreciate the falls. When I was there last, the Zimbabwean side of the view was obstructed with mist. Also helpful, is to bring along a lite raincoat. If you stay in Livingstone, the Royal Livingstone Hotel or Zambezi Sun is situated right by the falls and gives you free access to the park. Otherwise, if you are staying elsewhere in Livingstone, you would be about 10-12 km (6 miles) from the falls. There is also a hike from the Zambian side, called Boiling Point. https://www.wikiloc.com/hiking-trails/boiling-pot-18632399 Also, in the park -- beware of the baboons, one of them stole my lunch, along with my 1kg block of cheese. Staying in Livingstone was more convenient, as getting to Chobe is inexpensive - shared taxi from Livingstone to Kazungula border cost a few dollars. Also, some hotels in Livingstone provide free shuttles to the falls as well as airport transfer.

The visa you mean is the Kaza UniVisa - be aware: Zambia and Zim ran out of those visa stickers in the second half of 2017, -- although available now again. Do monitor this webpage: https://www.victoriafalls-guide.net/univisa-zimbabwe-zambia.html

Dawie · « **Reply #1201 on:** May 27, 2018, 03:57:38 PM »

Quote from: Saulius on May 27, 2018, 10:10:24 AM

Why schlep to Soweto, one can do a tour of Hillbrow, CBD (Central Business District), and Alexandra Township.

Also, worth a visit is the Museum of Military History, situated next to the Johannesburg Zoo. Lots of WW I and II fighter planes,
like the only surviving Me 262B-1 Night fighter (Nachtjäger) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_National_Museum_of_Military_History

SAB World of Beer tour with Beer Tasting: http://www.worldofbeer.co.za/pages/visit

Also, there is the Kromdraai Gold Mine and the Sterkfontein Caves.

The museum is a nice Chol hamoed thing, only if you;re into SA history and Old war items and their shrine to the "Oobaas" (Jan Smuts)
Really not something to go to Africa for
The Kromdraai, Sterkfontein and the Rhino Park can all be done together in one day (they are all in the same area in the Cradle of Human Kind)
Personally I like the Rhino Park more than Lion Park anyway

Your Idea of getting to VFA early doesn;t work flight wise (earliest flight lands 1230pm) (same for LVI which has only that option)
you;re basically only going to be there for 24 hours (which i have done and is more than enough time) i would skip Chobe though... no point if you;re going to the Kruger anyway

The Genesis is right in the frum area and is satisfactory

The garden route is a stunning drive, KAAIMANS RIVER PASS etc
but its a 5 hour drive from just from George to CPT and alot of the nice scenery is on the other side between Plett and George
the drive is 8 hrs from PE to CPT and the roads may not be in the best shape
I would skip it all
you aren;t leaving much time for CPT which has much more to offer than the Garden Route

Saulius · « **Reply #1202 on:** May 27, 2018, 05:31:03 PM »

Quote from: Dawie on May 27, 2018, 03:57:38 PM

The museum is a nice Chol hamoed thing, only if you;re into SA history and Old war items and their shrine to the "Oobaas" (Jan Smuts)
Really not something to go to Africa for
The Kromdraai, Sterkfontein and the Rhino Park can all be done together in one day (they are all in the same area in the Cradle of Human Kind)
Personally I like the Rhino Park more than Lion Park anyway

Your Idea of getting to VFA early doesn;t work flight wise (earliest flight lands 1230pm) (same for LVI which has only that option)
you;re basically only going to be there for 24 hours (which i have done and is more than enough time) i would skip Chobe though... no point if you;re going to the Kruger anyway

The Genesis is right in the frum area and is satisfactory

The garden route is a stunning drive, KAAIMANS RIVER PASS etc
but its a 5 hour drive from just from George to CPT and alot of the nice scenery is on the other side between Plett and George
the drive is 8 hrs from PE to CPT and the roads may not be in the best shape
I would skip it all
you aren;t leaving much time for CPT which has much more to offer than the Garden Route

I meant those places to visit, if one is in Johannesburg anyways, and has some time to "kill". I think Chobe is worth it for a day trip if in Victoria Falls
area -- if going between July and September. Chobe is particularly good to see large herds of Elephants, Giraffes, Hippos, and crocodiles.

I drove many times between PE Oudtshoorn and CPT, and roads in Eastern and Western Cape are significantly better than the rest of the country.
Johannesburg has plenty of roads in bad shape and potholes that will swallow your car. Although, the worst roads are in Lesotho.

I seem to like Tsitsikamma and the Crags area much more, I personally prefer to skip Cape Town.

as2 · « **Reply #1203 on:** May 27, 2018, 09:31:55 PM »

If you have a friend or family member who has tmobile, it may be worth getting added to their plan for the month, but obviously that's not always an option.

I stayed at the kingdom hotel in Zimbabwe and enjoyed.

Monte Casino is an interesting experience in JNB, but nothing too crazy.

Not sure if I can be much of a help otherwise.

Yehoshua · « **Reply #1204 on:** May 27, 2018, 09:43:06 PM »

Or you can just get a sim and use it in your unlocked AT&T phone.

as2 · « **Reply #1205 on:** May 27, 2018, 10:38:58 PM »

Quote from: Yehoshua on May 27, 2018, 09:43:06 PM

Or you can just get a sim and use it in your unlocked AT&T phone.

How much is a Sim? What do you get with it?

Yehoshua · « **Reply #1206 on:** May 27, 2018, 10:45:04 PM »

Quote from: as2 on May 27, 2018, 10:38:58 PM

How much is a Sim? What do you get with it?

Sorry I meant a T-Mobile sim.

as2 · « **Reply #1207 on:** May 27, 2018, 10:47:33 PM »

Quote from: Yehoshua on May 27, 2018, 10:45:04 PM

Sorry I meant a T-Mobile sim.

Gotcha. Yea, at $10 plus tax, I had free data (2g) to make whatsapp and Google voice calls, as well as texting throughout most of my trip. I believe Zambia and Zimbabwe are not on tmobiles free roaming, although things may have changed.

Yehoshua · « **Reply #1208 on:** May 27, 2018, 10:51:50 PM »

Quote from: as2 on May 27, 2018, 10:47:33 PM

Gotcha. Yea, at $10 plus tax, I had free data (2g) to make whatsapp and Google voice calls, as well as texting throughout most of my trip. I believe Zambia and Zimbabwe are not on tmobiles free roaming, although things may have changed.

That could be, though I was only in South Africa so I wouldn't know. My point was if the op had an AT&T phone he could just get a T-Mobile sim and pay for service for a month with no further obligations.

Wizmanison · « **Reply #1209 on:** May 27, 2018, 11:11:31 PM »

Quote from: Yehoshua on May 27, 2018, 10:51:50 PM

That could be, though I was only in South Africa so I wouldn't know. My point was if the op had an AT&T phone he could just get a T-Mobile sim and pay for service for a month with no further obligations.

Thank you all for the advice! I think I will be spending 2 nights in Livingston now as there is not much to do in JNB anyways. I'll arrive mid-day on Wednesday after having food dropped up from like kosherworld to the JNB airport and then spend the rest of the day seeing both sides of the falls. Thursday I'll do full day Chobe and return to JNB Friday and do rhino park.

Why is T-mobile favored over other companies? What are the rates? I also consume lots of data which is why I fear getting a sim and service while in SA will get pricey as I consume more data...

Quote from: Dawie on May 27, 2018, 03:57:38 PM

The Genesis is right in the frum area and is satisfactory

The garden route is a stunning drive, KAAIMANS RIVER PASS etc
but its a 5 hour drive from just from George to CPT and alot of the nice scenery is on the other side between Plett and George
the drive is 8 hrs from PE to CPT and the roads may not be in the best shape
I would skip it all
you aren;t leaving much time for CPT which has much more to offer than the Garden Route

Thank you! I will likely book the Genesis!

Is there nothing that notable to justify the drive from George or PE to CPT?

How much time would you give in CPT? I thought the general consensus was 4-5 days?

Yehoshua · « **Reply #1210 on:** May 27, 2018, 11:17:09 PM »

Quote from: Wizmanison on May 27, 2018, 11:11:31 PM

Why is T-mobile favored over other companies? What are the rates? I also consume lots of data which is why I fear getting a sim and service while in SA will get pricey as I consume more data...

Free texting and data (at "2G" speeds, often faster), free wifi calling to US, and $0.20/minute for all (non wifi) calls to or from anywhere as long as you're in a T-Mobile covered country.

Dawie · « **Reply #1211 on:** May 28, 2018, 11:33:50 AM »

Quote from: Wizmanison on May 27, 2018, 11:11:31 PM

Thank you all for the advice! I think I will be spending 2 nights in Livingston now as there is not much to do in JNB anyways. I'll arrive mid-day on Wednesday after having food dropped up from like kosherworld to the JNB airport and then spend the rest of the day seeing both sides of the falls. Thursday I'll do full day Chobe and return to JNB Friday and do rhino park.

Why is T-mobile favored over other companies? What are the rates? I also consume lots of data which is why I fear getting a sim and service while in SA will get pricey as I consume more data...

Thank you! I will likely book the Genesis!

Is there nothing that notable to justify the drive from George or PE to CPT?

How much time would you give in CPT? I thought the general consensus was 4-5 days?

the PE to George is the better part of the trip (Saulius is even recommending you skip CPT for that... I wouldn;t as a first time to CPT)
there are notable things on the drive, the question is, is it worth the "detour"
You are going to be in CPT for Friday, Sunday and Monday, that's not really alot of time
Plus it is in middle of the winter (if you can call it winter) and the weather may not co-operate
you are also coming early for Whale season and late for Wine season
What are you looking to do in CPT?

Yehoshua · « **Reply #1212 on:** May 28, 2018, 11:43:39 AM »

I assumed that he would want to do this typical Cape Town activities that do not require any special time of year weather, like Cape Point, Boulder Beach, and the Cape of Good Hope.

Saulius · « **Reply #1213 on:** May 28, 2018, 01:46:42 PM »

Quote from: Yehoshua on May 28, 2018, 11:43:39 AM

I assumed that he would want to do this typical Cape Town activities that do not require any special time of year weather, like Cape Point, Boulder Beach, and the Cape of Good Hope.

Yes, but that can be all done in one day. What else is there do in Cape Town, other than surfing Muizenberg Beach all day? Also, noteworthy is that in Cape Town one can get an extremely delicious fish called Kingklip -- Checkers Supermarket in Seapoint has a kosher fish counter - they will fry it for you on request.

(There was some controversy 1-2 decades ago, about its kashrus, as 'questions arised because of the difficulty layman had in finding the scales, which are thin and small and covered with a mucous layer' -- Rav Yitzchak Kossowsky permitted it - he who was a prominent Rav in Eastern Europe and Rosh Beis Din in Johannesburg -- Rav Kossowsky immigrated to South Africa in 1932 (niftar in 1951), and was the brother-in-law of the gadol hador Rav Chaim Ozer Grodzensky).

Dawie · « **Reply #1214 on:** May 28, 2018, 02:24:13 PM »

Quote from: Saulius on May 28, 2018, 01:46:42 PM

Yes, but that can be all done in one day. What else is there do in Cape Town, other than surfing Muizenberg Beach all day? Also, noteworthy is that in Cape Town one can get an extremely delicious fish called Kingklip -- Checkers Supermarket in Seapoint has a kosher fish counter - they will fry it for you on request.

(There was some controversy 1-2 decades ago, about its kashrus, as 'questions arised because of the difficulty layman had in finding the scales, which are thin and small and covered with a mucous layer' -- Rav Yitzchak Kossowsky permitted it - he who was a prominent Rav in Eastern Europe and Rosh Beis Din in Johannesburg -- Rav Kossowsky immigrated to South Africa in 1932 (niftar in 1951), and was the brother-in-law of the gadol hador Rav Chaim Ozer Grodzensky).

R Sternbuch and R Salzer forbade it
skip the kingklip, have some smoked snoek
or go to Hout Bay market for any fresh fish (Mariners Wharf) - the Seal island boat tour leave from there

Saulius · « **Reply #1215 on:** May 28, 2018, 02:54:51 PM »

Quote from: Dawie on May 28, 2018, 02:24:13 PM

R Sternbuch and R Salzer forbade it
skip the kingklip, have some smoked snoek
or go to Hout Bay market for any fresh fish (Mariners Wharf) - the Seal island boat tour leave from there

Rav Sternbuch (shlita, with all respect) -- also declared that the Beis Din's shechita is treif, and caused lots of machlokes in Johannesburg.

One should also explain why issuing a psak to assur it, is not being motzei la'az al harishonim who permitted it.

From http://avodah.aishdas.narkive.com/CnXIEKj7/the-kashrut-of-kingklip-its-turbulent-history-and-who-decides
quote:

It was stated very clearly in an email from Rabbi Yossi Salzer to the OU on Feb
12, 2004, where he wrote: "Cuskeels or not-the Torah says: with
fins and scales it's Kosher. Kingklip has fins & scales. It's Kosher!"

Also see: http://www.uos.co.za/community/noticeDisplay.asp?ID=137

Dawie · « **Reply #1216 on:** May 28, 2018, 03:41:44 PM »

Quote from: Saulius on May 28, 2018, 02:54:51 PM

Rav Sternbuch (shlita, with all respect) -- also declared that the Beis Din's shechita is treif, and caused lots of machlokes in Johannesburg.

So did R Salzer until he was able to join the Bais Din under his own terms and "fix" the shichta issues
That was a long time ago...

My point with the kingklip is why go for something that has issues when you can get L'chatchila amazing fish without trying something exotic
Kabeljou
Snoek
Sole
Hake
Kippers
Trout
etc etc

Saulius · « **Reply #1217 on:** May 28, 2018, 04:07:47 PM »

Quote from: Dawie on May 28, 2018, 03:41:44 PM

So did R Salzer until he was able to join the Bais Din under his own terms and "fix" the shichta issues
That was a long time ago...

My point with the kingklip is why go for something that has issues when you can get L'chatchila amazing fish without trying something exotic
Kabeljou
Snoek
Sole
Hake
Kippers
Trout
etc etc

Would anybody please enlighten me what were the issues of the Johannesburg Beis Din schechita back then? Not to mention, it caused the Beis Din's
shochtim to lose their parnasah, because Rav Sternbuch created a new schechita calling it Mehadrin. What made it Mehadrin? Hungarian minhagim?

Dawie · « **Reply #1218 on:** May 28, 2018, 05:38:39 PM »

oh please there was enough room for both
whats causing them to lose their jobs now?

Saulius · « **Reply #1219 on:** May 28, 2018, 05:52:08 PM »

Quote from: Dawie on May 28, 2018, 05:38:39 PM

oh please there was enough room for both
whats causing them to lose their jobs now?

I am speaking about the many decades ago, as I was asking about "back then", when the shochtim lost their parnasasah, not about now.

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Name	Type	Hours	Contact	Location & Description
Avron's Place (Sea Point)	Meat	S – T: 11am – 3pm; 5pm – 10pm; F: 11am – 2:30pm	+27 (0)21 439 7610 Link	19 – 33 Regent Road - Oldest kosher meat restaurant in SA. The humbly adorned, family-friendly eatery, serves a wide variety of dishes, including beef ribs, burgers, mixed grills, boerewors, Cape lamb curry, vegetarian platters, pastas and sushi. Prices rather reasonable. On Tuesdays there's a special on its beef burger and chips (R49 instead of the usual R59). Offers takeaways and catering and packed Shabbat meals for visitors. For the Sephardim the meat is Bet Yosef. But check to make sure.
The Press (Sea Point)	Meat	S – T: noon – late; F: 11am – 3pm; Sat: 1 hour after Shabbat till late	+27 (0)21 434 7724 Website	176 Main Road - Restaurant and Bar (many craft beers on tap).
Coffee Time (Gardens)	Milk	M – T: 8am – 3:30pm; F: 8am – 3pm	+27 (0)21 461 8414	20 Breda Street - Set in an old house in a lush, garden environment. Lawn seating with views of Table Mountain. Breakfast, brunch or lunch. Menu includes scrambled egg, salmon and humus wrap, fish bobotie with homemade chutney, tuna lasagne, sandwich, salad, quiche or smoothie. Early-morning special between 8am and 11am (a combo of two eggs, grilled tomato and mushrooms goes for R25) and also serves a delicious, and incredibly popular, buffet lunch every Wednesday between 12:30pm and 2:30pm. Gluten-free and sugar-free options. Offers catering. Proceeds support the Astra Centre.
Café Riteve (Gardens)	Milk	S – T: 8:30am – 5pm; F: 8:30am – 3pm	+27 (0)21 465 1594 Website	88 Hatfield Street - Located on a piazza that’s part of the same centre as the historical Gardens Shul, the South African Jewish Museum, the Cape Town Holocaust Centre and the Jacob Gitlin Library. Large and varied menu includes three-egg omelette, sushi salad, grilled hake, falafel with dukkah wedges and humus, tuna and mushroom cannelloni, smoked salmon and cream cheese sandwich and chocolate ganache-filled croissant. Also sells range of shakes and juices as well as kosher wine and liquors. Offers catering, takeaways, no delivery. They had some CY, just ask. The earlier you go the more likely the have.
Goldies Deli and Diner (Sea Point)	Meat & Pareve	S – T: 8:30am – 8pm; F: 8:30am – 4:30pm	+27 (0)21 439 3008 Link	174 Main Road - Meat and parev deli and bakery - next door and connected to The Press. Menu include burgers, steak rolls, schwarmas, bagels, salads, fish cakes, breakfast plates and more. Specials every Wednesday and Friday (deals like a three-course meal for four for R120). Delivery is free in Sea Point. Bakery treats include carrot cake, cinnamon twists, chocolate brownies, doughnuts, cupcakes, apple crumble, croissants and teiglach. Offers Shabbat meal orders.
Café B'tayavon @ Highlands House	Milk		021 461 1100	9 Gorge Rd, Highlands Estate - Snacks and Light Meals
Jean's Kitchen @ The Kaplan Centre	Milk		021 650 3064 info@jeanskitchen.co.za	The Kaplan Centre - University of Cape Town - Tea, coffee, sandwiches, gourmet salads, falafel etc
Baskin Robbins @ Mojo Market (Sea Point)				Note: This is the only kosher B & R All ice creams, ice cream cones, milkshakes and waffles are Kosher, milchik. The following topping ONLY are kosher: Crushed Almonds, Crushed Cashews, Fudge, Mini Astros, Mint Crunch NB: Cakes are NOT KOSHER

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Boulders Beach	R170	35 min	• "I found that there were two different entrances, boardwalk and beach. The boardwalk has a higher density of penguins but if you want a better experience, I recommend visiting the beach side- especially at low tide. Because of the tide I was able to walk past the few dozen folks on the beach, climb under and over some boulders, and encounter effectively a different private beach- with penguins!!" • For budget travelers, take the train to Simonstown and from there a cab to Boulders beach - R20.
Betty’s Bay		1.25 hours	Also features African Penguins though less crowded than Boulders beach, though further.
Chapman's Peak Drive	R45/car	45 min	• Beautiful scenery, you have the mountain on one side and the ocean on the other side, great pics, great to make a BBQ come during daylight hours. NOTE: You need Rand or an SA issued card to pay for the Chapman's Peak toll.
Cape of Good Hope/Cape Point	R360/pp	1.5 hours	• LONG but AMAZING drive • almost a full day activity
Lions Head			• Hike - not difficult • Paragliding - around $85 (prices might be outdated). Book ahead
Robben Island			Tours depart three times a day and take about 3.5 hours, consisting of a ferry trip to and from the island, and a tour of the various historical sites on the island that form part of the Robben Island Museum. These include the island graveyard, the disused lime quarry, Robert Sobukwe's house, the Bluestone quarry, the army and navy bunkers, and the maximum security prison. Nelson Mandela's cell is shown. Reviews are mixed
Table Mountain (Cable car or hike)	~R350		• Follow on Twitter for updates on if open or closed • Cableway costs ~R350 rand pp - depends if morning or afternoon • Can repel down • 895 rand pp (prices might be outdated) • repel for like 15 mins • hike back up is 25 mins • Closes 6pm • BOOK IN ADVANCE
Signal Hill			Go there for a sunset with bit more a "local" flavor. Views aren't great compared to Lion's Head and can be quite crowded at sunset.
V & A Waterfront
The Garden Route			long scenic drive

Kirstenbosch Gardens
Shark Diving	$88 +$34 for video (prices might be outdated)	2 hours	Can do in Gansbaii. Links:1, 2, 3
Sandboarding			Bring goggles!
Skydiving	$170 (prices might be outdated) Cheaper
Quad Biking (ATVs)
Hout Bay market
Kayaking at Hout Bay	Link		Amazing experience. Views may very but can often see Heaviside dolphins jumping right in front of you
Cheetah Outreach			Where you can go and pet cheetahs and other animals super cool. Website
Aquila Private Game Reserve		2 hours	Pricey but quality accommodations for overnight stays. Good for people who aren't leaving Cape Town area but want to see wildlife. Some dismiss as a "glorified zoo"
Cango Wildlife Ranch		5 hours

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Corner Cafe (Glenhazel)	Milk	+27 11 440-3160 Link	Corner of Queens square and cross road in Glenhazel. Corner Café is the best place to go (or maybe the only) for kosher gluten free muffins. I’m told they’re very good. They also have great breakfasts and pastas, but I usually stick with a toasted cheese and chips.
Dee-Jays (Sandton)	Milk	+27 11 883-2265 Link	Morningview Shopping Centre, 100 South Road, 2196 - Dee-Jays provides casual dairy food that is perfect for a breakfast out with the family. Their fishballs are really good and if you need a cake in the Sandton area, they’re the place to go.
Market Cafe (Norood Mall)	Milk		Cholov Yisroel cafe
KosherWorld, Mi Vami Kosher and Chop N Wok (Glenhazel)		+27 11 440 1402 Website	1 Long Avenue, Johannesburg, 2192
Gelatisimo (Glenhazel)			Across the road from Kosher World, authentic Italian gelato. Chalav Yisroel. Absolutely fantastic.
Michelos (Glenhazel)	Milk	+27 11 885-1500 Link	17 Northfield Ave, Johannesburg, 2192 - Michelos is the second best pizza restaurant. They are very centrally located (in the Jewish area of Glenhazel) and their food is nice. Never go there the night after Pesach because you’ll wait hours but most other times are good, plus they serve chalav yisrael.
Nandos Kosher (Savoy)	Meat	+27 11 885-1496 Website	553 Louis Botha Ave, Savoy, Johannesburg, 2090, South Africa - Nandos is a large chain of Portuguese chicken restaurants, but there is only one kosher Nandos in South Africa, so be aware that you can’t step into any of them! They serve top notch chicken but be sure to also try their beef burger (and order extra sauce).
Next Door "Non-CY" (Norwood)	Milk	+27 11 728-2577 Link	80 Grant Ave, Johannesburg, 2192 - Next Door is rated as a top restaurant in Johannesburg, kosher and not, so you know it must be pretty good. It is usually full so booking is highly recommended. While their sushi may not be top class, their pizzas certainly are and, if you’re around in Summer, definitely try their fish braai (barbeque in South African).
Pie Works (Sandringham)		+27 11 485 2447 Website	74 George Ave, Johannesburg, 2192 - Their pies (clearly) are the best kosher pies in the country and are perfect if you want to buy some to take home and reheat. Their burgers are delicious and the have a milk side with pizza that is really good. They’re situated on what is known as the Kosher Strip, so any Jew will be able to direct you.
RTG "Ready to Go" (Norwood)			A fast food place next door to ... Next Door. While they do offer steak and a Chinese menu, the focus is their extensive burger and hot dog menu.
The Deli Store (Sandton)		011-656-3142 / 4915 info@thedelistore.co.za, http://thedelistore.co.za/menus/main-menu/	Shop 52, (opposite Woolworths) Morning Glen Shopping Mall Cnr Bowling & Kelvin Road Gallo Manor - Reviewed in CBS's TR, as having excellent food for very low prices. According to Google is "Permanently Closed".
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Jozi Blue (Glenhazel)	Milk		They have some items Cholov Yisroel, which they will serve on disposables on request

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