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If you are travelling to South Africa with a child under 18, you will need to have a birth certificate for the child which includes the names of both parents as they are on the parents' passports. They are very strict about this and will not let you in without it.

For a detailed look at the rules, including what is needed for a child travelling with only one parent or alone see here


Cape Town

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Restaurants


Avron's Place (Sea Point)
The longest running kosher meat restaurant in South Africa, Avron’s Place on Sea Point’s Regent Road is a very popular choice amongst Cape Town’s Orthodox Jewish community. The humbly adorned, family-friendly eatery, which is supervised by the Beth Din, serves a wide variety of dishes, including beef ribs, burgers, mixed grills, boerewors, Cape lamb curry, vegetarian platters, pastas and sushi. Though prices are generally rather reasonable (particularly by kosher food standards), Avron’s drops costs further on Tuesdays with a special on its beef burger and chips (R49 instead of the usual R59). The restaurant also does takeaways and catering for functions and will gladly pack Shabbat meals for visitors to Cape Town. For the Sephardim the meat is Bet Yosef. But check to make sure.
Opening Hours: Sunday – Thursday: 11am – 3pm; 5pm – 10pm; Friday: 11am – 2:30pm
19 – 33 Regent Road | Sea Point | Cape Town | +27 (0)21 439 7610
https://www.zomato.com/capetown/avrons-place-sea-point/menu.


The Press (Sea Point) Restaurant and Bar (many craft beers on tap)


Opening Hours: Sunday – Thursday: noon – late Friday: 11am – 3pm Sat night: 1 hour after Shabbat till late
176 Main Road | Sea Point | Cape Town | +27 (0)21 434 7724



Coffee Time (Gardens)
Set in an old house in a lush, garden environment, this kosher milchik coffee shop is a fine option for a relaxing breakfast, brunch or lunch on a sunny day. Guests can sit outside on the lawn while enjoying stunning views of Table Mountain and tucking into anything from a scrambled egg, salmon and humus wrap or fish bobotie with homemade chutney to tuna lasagne, a sandwich, salad, quiche or smoothie. The eatery runs an early-morning special between 8am and 11am (a combo of two eggs, grilled tomato and mushrooms goes for R25) and also serves a delicious, and incredibly popular, buffet lunch every Wednesday between 12:30pm and 2:30pm. For those will allergies, there are gluten-free and sugar-free options, and Coffee Time caters for functions – think weddings, bat/bar mitzvahs or birthdays – too. As the cherry on the kosher cake, all proceeds from the restaurant go to supporting the Astra Centre, which aims to provide employment for those with mental illnesses and special needs, so diners can rest assured their meal is helping out a good cause.
Opening Hours: Monday – Thursday: 8am – 3:30pm; Friday: 8am – 3pm
20 Breda Street | Gardens | Cape Town | +27 (0)21 461 8414


Café Riteve (Gardens)
This charming milchik café, which was founded in 2000, is conveniently located right in the heart of town on a piazza that’s part of the same centre as the historical Gardens Shul, the South African Jewish Museum, the Cape Town Holocaust Centre and the Jacob Gitlin Library. The menu is large and varied and includes items like a three-egg omelette, sushi salad, grilled hake, falafel with dukkah wedges and humus, tuna and mushroom cannelloni, smoked salmon and cream cheese sandwich and chocolate ganache-filled croissant. For the thirsty, the eatery also sells a range of shakes and juices as well as kosher wine and liquors. It caters for special occasions and offers takeaways, but unfortunately doesn’t deliver; though, considering that the interior is tastefully adorned and the ambience inviting, Jewish diners will likely want to spend some time at the café in any case.They had some CY, just ask. The earlier you go the more likely the have.
Opening Hours: Sunday – Thursday: 8:30am – 5pm; Friday: 8:30am – 3pm
88 Hatfield Street | Gardens | Cape Town | +27 (0)21 465 1594
https://www.zomato.com/capetown/cafe-riteve-gardens/menu.


Goldies Deli and Diner (Sea Point)
Started by Goldie Wener back in 1992, this popular kosher food spot has evolved over time from a small home business to include a meat and parev deli, a sit-down diner and a bakery. The simple but flavourful fare is still made from Goldie’s grandmother’s recipes, and options include burgers, steak rolls, schwarmas, bagels, salads, fish cakes, breakfast plates and more. Plus, there are specials every Wednesday and Friday (these change weekly but you can look forward to deals like a three-course meal for four for R120) and there’s also a very affordable seniors menu for elderly individuals living in and around the area (delivery is free in Sea Point). The bakery stocks delectable treats like carrot cake, cinnamon twists, chocolate brownies, doughnuts, cupcakes, apple crumble, croissants and teiglach. Kosher Cape Town dwellers can also place orders for Shabbat meals if they don’t have the time to prepare the dishes themselves.
Opening Hours: Sunday – Thursday: 8:30am – 8pm; Friday: 8:30am – 4:30pm
174 Main Road | Sea Point | Cape Town | +27 (0)21 439 3008
https://www.zomato.com/capetown/goldies-deli-sea-point/menu.



Baskin Robbins @ Mojo Market (Sea Point)
Note: This is the only kosher B & R
All ice creams, ice cream cones, milkshakes and waffles are Kosher, milchik.
The following topping ONLY are kosher: Crushed Almonds, Crushed Cashews, Fudge, Mini Astros, Mint Crunch
NB: Cakes are NOT KOSHER

Bakeries, Groceries & Ice Cream
Checkers Sea Point- 76 Regent Road - They have a large selection of kosher products including a kosher take out and bakery.
Spar Sea Point - 96 Regent Road - They have a large selection of kosher products including a kosher take out and bakery.

Shuls

Hotels with Points near a Shul (Walking Minutes)
Protea Sea Point

Airport Transfer Options
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Major Activities
Boulders Beach
   - For budget travelers, take the train to Simonstown and from there a cab to Boulders beach - R20.
    - 35 mins from CPT
    - Can hop fence
    - "I found that there were two different entrances, boardwalk and beach. The boardwalk has a higher density of penguins but if you want a better experience, I recommend visiting the beach side- especially at low tide. Because of the tide I was able to walk past the few dozen folks on the beach, climb under and over some boulders, and encounter effectively a different private beach- with penguins!!"
Betty’s Bay
    - a less crowded, and not as known, boulders beach with penguins
Chapman's Peak Drive
   - Beautiful scenery, you have the mountain on one side and the ocean on the other side, great pics, great to make a BBQ come during daylight hours.
    - 45 rand per car
    - 45 mins from CPT
Cape of Good Hope/Cape Point
    - LONG but AMAZING drive
    - almost a full day activity
    - 135 rand pp
    - 1.5 hours from CPT
Lions Head (Hike - not difficult)
    - paragliding - around $85 (prices might be outdated)
        - BOOK AHEAD
Robben Island
Table Mountain (Cable car or hike)
    - Follow on Twitter for updates on if open or closed
    - Can repel down
        - 895 rand pp (prices might be outdated)
            - repel for like 15 mins
            - hike back up is 25 mins
    - Chairlift costs 255 rand pp
    - Closes 6pm
    - BOOK IN ADVANCE
Signal Hill (go there for a sunset with bit more a "local" flavor.
V & A Waterfront
The Garden Route - long scenic drive
Kirstenbosch Gardens
Shark Diving
  - Can do so in Gansbaii
  - $88 +$34 for video (prices might be outdated)
  - 2 hour drive from CPT
  - Links:1, 2, 3
Sandboarding
   - Bring goggles!
Skydiving
   - Price: $170 (prices might be outdated)
   - Cheaper
Quad Biking (ATVs)
Hout Bay market
Cango Wildlife Ranch
Cheetah outreach
    - where you can go and pet cheetahs and other animals super cool
Winelands : [Likely way more then listed but those are the few I remember]
(Might be worthwhile to make a trip to the winelands, even if one does not enjoy wine, for the scenery. Only about an hour or two from CPT)
      - Franschoek
      - Kosher wineries:
          - Kleine Dracken
          - backsberg

Johannesburg

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Restaurants
http://www.uos.co.za/kashrut/restaurants.asp

http://yeahthatskosher.com/2013/04/kosher-restaurants-travel-advice-for-johannesburg-south-africa-joberg/

Map of Kosher Johannesburg

Corner Cafe (Glenhazel)
Corner Café is the best place to go (or maybe the only) for kosher gluten free muffins. I’m told they’re very good. They also have great breakfasts and pastas, but I usually stick with a toasted cheese and chips.
Corner of Queens square and cross road in Glenhazel, Phone: +27 11 440-3160.
https://www.zomato.com/johannesburg/corner-cafe-glenhazel


Dee-Jays (Sandton)
Dee-Jays provides casual dairy food that is perfect for a breakfast out with the family. Their fishballs are really good and if you need a cake in the Sandton area, they’re the place to go.
Morningview Shopping Centre, 100 South Road, 2196, South Africa. Phone: +27 11 883-2265.
https://www.zomato.com/johannesburg/deejays-deli-morningside.


Market Cafe (Norood Mall)
cholov Yisroel cafe

KosherWorld, Mi Vami Kosher and Chop N Wok (Glenhazel)
1 Long Avenue, Johannesburg, 2192, South Africa. Phone: +27 11 440 1402.
http://www.kosherworld.co.za/Mivami.aspx & http://www.kosherworld.co.za/ChopandWok.aspx.


Brioche (Glenhazel)
Brioche is a new (as of July 2016) non chalav yisrael (with CY options) dairy place across the street from Kosher World. It's quite fancy and more expensive than Michelos, though still cheap by American standards at ~R15:$1. Their 6 textures of dark chocolate dessert was out of this world.
53 Ridge Ave, Johannesburg, 2192, South Africa. Phone: +27 11 028 1244/55.

Gelatisimo (Glenhazel)
Across the road from Kosher World, authentic Italian gelato. Chalav Yisroel. Absolutely fantastic.

Michelos (Glenhazel)
Michelos is the second best pizza restaurant. They are very centrally located (in the Jewish area of Glenhazel) and their food is nice. Never go there the night after Pesach because you’ll wait hours but most other times are good, plus they serve chalav yisrael.
17 Northfield Ave, Johannesburg, 2192, South Africa. Phone: +27 11 885-1500.
https://www.zomato.com/johannesburg/michelos-pizzeria-glenhazel/menu.


Nandos Kosher (Savoy)
Nandos is a large chain of Portuguese chicken restaurants, but there is only one kosher Nandos in South Africa, so be aware that you can’t step into any of them! They serve top notch chicken but be sure to also try their beef burger (and order extra sauce).
553 Louis Botha Ave, Savoy, Johannesburg, 2090, South Africa. Phone: +27 11 885-1496.
https://www.yumbi.com/menu/stores-1285/view/Nandos-Kosher.


Next Door "Non-CY" (Norwood)
Next Door is rated as a top restaurant in Johannesburg, kosher and not, so you know it must be pretty good. It is usually full so booking is highly recommended. While their sushi may not be top class, their pizzas certainly are and, if you’re around in Summer, definitely try their fish braai (barbeque in South African).
80 Grant Ave, Johannesburg, 2192, South Africa. Phone: +27 11 728-2577.
https://www.zomato.com/johannesburg/next-door-norwood.


Pie Works (Sandringham)
Their pies (clearly) are the best kosher pies in the country and are perfect if you want to buy some to take home and reheat. Their burgers are delicious and the have a milk side with pizza that is really good. They’re situated on what is known as the Kosher Strip, so any Jew will be able to direct you.
74 George Ave, Johannesburg, 2192, South Africa. +27 11 485 2447.
http://www.thepieworks.co.za/.


RTG "Ready to Go" (Norwood)
A fast food place next door to ... Next Door. While they do offer steak and a Chinese menu, the focus is their extensive burger and hot dog menu.

The Deli Store (Sandton)
Reviewed in CBS's TR, as having excellent food for very low prices.
Shop 52, (opposite Woolworths) Morning Glen Shopping Mall Cnr Bowling & Kelvin Road Gallo Manor, Phone: 011-656-3142 / 4915.
Email: info@thedelistore.co.za, http://thedelistore.co.za/menus/main-menu/.


So Sushi (Glenhazel)

Jozi Blue (Glenhazel)
They have some items Cholov Yisroel, which they will serve on disposables on request

Bakeries, Groceries & Ice Cream
Kosher World - http://www.kosherworld.co.za/

Shuls

Hotels with Points near a Shul (Walking Minutes)

Airport Transfer Options
Cab - Uber
Executive Bus - Shuttle from HLA airport to anywhere in Sandton for R80 per person.
Public Bus -
Train - Gautrain from JNB airport is R135-155 depending on destination. Must purchase gold card before for R13.

Major Activities
Apartheid Museum
Flea Market
Gold Reef City - amusement park, along with other African themed attractions (tribal dancing, old "gold mine tour")
Lion Park - see lions from your car up close, pet lion cubs.
Monte Casino - Casino and shopping mall, with cool "outdoor" Tuscan style
Soweto Tour
Pilanesberg Safari- If you can't make it to Kruger for malaria, time or other concerns,  this is a much smaller park with less wildlife, and not as good of an experience, but definitely well worth it. About 2 hours out of Joburg, it can be done in your own vehicle, but will be a lot better with a guided game drive.
Sun City Right outside of Pilansberg
Elephant & Monkey Sanctuary- About an hour out of Joburg. Get close to elephants, touch, feed and ride them. The monkey sanctuary has a massive enclosure with hundreds of various monkeys and lemurs. No feeding or touching, unless one jumps on you. If you do go to Pilansberg, this can be done on the way.

Kruger National Park

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Tour Options

Major Activities

Near Kruger:

The Panoramic Route includes a half dozen waterfalls; Lisbon, Horseshoe, Bridal Vail, Mac Mac, Sabie and others; The Potholes, G-d's Window, Wonder View, The Pinnacle, The Three Rondawels and views of the stunning Blyde River Canyon (third largest canyon in the world).

AJK SA trip route planning - forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=33867.msg669659#msg669659.
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Re: South Africa Master Thread
« Reply #1470 on: March 25, 2019, 02:27:31 AM »
Guys, I'm the first person to say that South Africa is a great place to visit, but to say it is as dangerous as the US is absurd. It's one of the most violent places in the world. Every local knows people who have been killed. The Jewish neighborhoods in Johannesburg and Cape Town are relatively safe, but the armed patrols, electric fencing and 8 foot walls are not there for show.

Go, enjoy, but be safe. Don't run red lights, that's an urban legend, you'll get hit or get a ticket. Be aware of your surroundings and stay in the neighborhoods you're told to, don't try be adventurous in Alex or Soweto.
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« Reply #1471 on: March 25, 2019, 11:00:49 AM »
Guys, I'm the first person to say that South Africa is a great place to visit, but to say it is as dangerous as the US is absurd. It's one of the most violent places in the world. Every local knows people who have been killed. The Jewish neighborhoods in Johannesburg and Cape Town are relatively safe, but the armed patrols, electric fencing and 8 foot walls are not there for show.

Go, enjoy, but be safe. Don't run red lights, that's an urban legend, you'll get hit or get a ticket. Be aware of your surroundings and stay in the neighborhoods you're told to, don't try be adventurous in Alex or Soweto.
lol about the red lights... BTDT and got a ticket, but i'd do it again especially at night in certain places
What about the advice of stopping a cars length away at every robot? for it or against it?

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« Reply #1472 on: March 25, 2019, 11:06:40 AM »



What about the advice of stopping a cars length away at every robot? for it or against it?

Never heard of it. How would that help? That's not all that much getaway space.
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« Reply #1473 on: March 25, 2019, 11:13:40 AM »

Never heard of it. How would that help? That's not all that much getaway space.
probably just peace of mind..... i think the driving instructor actually told me that, but i dont remember
I think the svara was at least you;re not a sitting duck

Other obvious car advice for those self driving might be dont leave valuables like a purse or phone
they can easily be snatched through a closed window

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Re: South Africa Master Thread
« Reply #1474 on: March 25, 2019, 11:15:44 AM »
Guys, I'm the first person to say that South Africa is a great place to visit, but to say it is as dangerous as the US is absurd. It's one of the most violent places in the world. Every local knows people who have been killed. The Jewish neighborhoods in Johannesburg and Cape Town are relatively safe, but the armed patrols, electric fencing and 8 foot walls are not there for show.

Go, enjoy, but be safe. Don't run red lights, that's an urban legend, you'll get hit or get a ticket. Be aware of your surroundings and stay in the neighborhoods you're told to, don't try be adventurous in Alex or Soweto.
The us has many areas, some considered more safe then others, hence  SA is the same.

When I was there I was told dont stop at red lights with your phone out, you'll be robbed! Nothing happened though.

I believe, the people living there have a sense of a non existent threat about to become them.

In a Chicago park a Chabad guy was killed. The reaction of the local community was not armed guards and tall barbed wired electric fences.

To really understand the local Jewish community, you need to understand the local history. When the country was liberated by Nelson Mandela it created a fear the the white people are yet to get rid of.


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« Reply #1475 on: March 25, 2019, 11:16:35 AM »
probably just peace of mind..... i think the driving instructor actually told me that, but i dont remember
I think the svara was at least you;re not a sitting duck

Other obvious car advice for those self driving might be dont leave valuables like a purse or phone
they can easily be snatched through a closed window
If you are learning to drive shift (which may be common for tourists) you need the space behind you more than in front of you.
Turning from 9th Avenue onto Club st with a police van right behind me when I was learning... Just about had a panic attack.
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« Reply #1476 on: March 25, 2019, 11:23:44 AM »


The us has many areas, some considered more safe then others, hence  SA is the same.

When I was there I was told dont stop at red lights with your phone out, you'll be robbed! Nothing happened though.

I believe, the people living there have a sense of a non existent threat about to become them.

In a Chicago park a Chabad guy was killed. The reaction of the local community was not armed guards and tall barbed wired electric fences.

To really understand the local Jewish community, you need to understand the local history. When the country was liberated by Nelson Mandela it created a fear the the white people are yet to get rid of.

The most dangerous cities in the US are not as dangerous as Johannesburg. You realize I'm a local, right? The fear is not in our heads, we all know people who were killed in car-jakcings. Having never been held up at gun point, I'm in the minority.

How many people in Chicago do you know that have been held by gun point? Because there was a tragedy there and your cell phone wasn't robbed when you were in south Africa you are going to decide all of South Africa's violent crime is actually a figment of neurotic white people's imaginations? Please. This is absurd.
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« Reply #1477 on: March 25, 2019, 11:28:14 AM »
If you are learning to drive shift (which may be common for tourists) you need the space behind you more than in front of you.
Turning from 9th Avenue onto Club st with a police van right behind me when I was learning... Just about had a panic attack.
stick shift at the light atop sylvia pass....... not so fun for the people behind me

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« Reply #1478 on: March 25, 2019, 11:59:25 AM »

The most dangerous cities in the US are not as dangerous as Johannesburg. You realize I'm a local, right? The fear is not in our heads, we all know people who were killed in car-jakcings. Having never been held up at gun point, I'm in the minority.

How many people in Chicago do you know that have been held by gun point? Because there was a tragedy there and your cell phone wasn't robbed when you were in south Africa you are going to decide all of South Africa's violent crime is actually a figment of neurotic white people's imaginations? Please. This is absurd.
When I was there I asked multiple people when the last major incident was and all responded many years ago!

If they are wrong, correct them.

I'm not trying to create facts. I'm repeating a reality I saw when I was there.

In CH there are many incidents, from robbery to beatings and no armed guards, tall fences and living in fear.

The reality is every country has a different culture and responds differently to different situations. In a US mind the SA response is blown by proportions.

You explain to me, in the US where people were killed in Pittsburgh and violence does accur on a regular basis there hasn't been guards placed at 99% of institutions and the reason for that being it's not the way our culture responds to these types of situations. In SA a robbery will prompt "dont walk in the streets", "lock the door" "dont stop at lights at night" and ETC. I totally understand the culture but for an average US citizen visiting many countries my advice would be consult a local before going or doing something out of tourism norms.

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« Reply #1479 on: March 25, 2019, 12:14:58 PM »
When I was there I asked multiple people when the last major incident was and all responded many years ago!

If they are wrong, correct them.

I'm not trying to create facts. I'm repeating a reality I saw when I was there.

In CH there are many incidents, from robbery to beatings and no armed guards, tall fences and living in fear.

The reality is every country has a different culture and responds differently to different situations. In a US mind the SA response is blown by proportions.

You explain to me, in the US where people were killed in Pittsburgh and violence does accur on a regular basis there hasn't been guards placed at 99% of institutions and the reason for that being it's not the way our culture responds to these types of situations. In SA a robbery will prompt "dont walk in the streets", "lock the door" "dont stop at lights at night" and ETC. I totally understand the culture but for an average US citizen visiting many countries my advice would be consult a local before going or doing something out of tourism norms.
I don't have time to answer you fully right now, but suffice to say when CAP started crime dropped in those areas by more than 90%. You're coming to a place with insane amounts of security which has helped tremendously, seeing the good results and saying, "is so safe now, all the security measures must be a weird white South African mindset."

I live in Crown Heights. I lived in South Africa. Comparing the two is so patently ridiculous it is a complete waste of time.
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« Reply #1480 on: March 25, 2019, 12:20:34 PM »
When I was there I asked multiple people when the last major incident was and all responded many years ago!

If they are wrong, correct them.

I'm not trying to create facts. I'm repeating a reality I saw when I was there.

In CH there are many incidents, from robbery to beatings and no armed guards, tall fences and living in fear.

The reality is every country has a different culture and responds differently to different situations. In a US mind the SA response is blown by proportions.

You explain to me, in the US where people were killed in Pittsburgh and violence does accur on a regular basis there hasn't been guards placed at 99% of institutions and the reason for that being it's not the way our culture responds to these types of situations. In SA a robbery will prompt "dont walk in the streets", "lock the door" "dont stop at lights at night" and ETC. I totally understand the culture but for an average US citizen visiting many countries my advice would be consult a local before going or doing something out of tourism norms.
My father grew up in Crown Heights when you couldn't walk the streets alone. He lives in South Africa now behind a 7 foot wall. I'm tempted to read him your posts just to hear his cackles of laughter.
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Re: South Africa Master Thread
« Reply #1481 on: March 25, 2019, 01:04:28 PM »
Most Jewish areas had severe crime issues and this includes Lakewood, Boro Park, Williamsburg and Crown Heights.... Newark and Camden have shootings every day and yet many Jews walk and roam the streets.

Jews did not fence themselves nor did they set up corner security posts. It's a way of reacting and I the US we react differently then in SA.

I would really appreciate if you can explain the difference. When I visited I asked multiple people and had a really hard time seeing a major reason for security the way they have it now.  I, as a Jewish looking guy was questioned at length before entering shul on shabbat. Are you seriously suggesting a white Jewish looking Male will do harm to a shul. In NY we  have many races walking into shul unasked and we dont flinch. While security may be necessary even in the US, the level of it in SA IMHO is absurd.

Now that you have decided and established a precedent for security. anything less might be seen as an invitation for crime.

I respect the way they decided to live but to claim it all necessary is absurd.

If you can explain it in detail I'll be more then happy to understand.

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Re: South Africa Master Thread
« Reply #1482 on: March 25, 2019, 01:06:37 PM »
Lol we have a lot of South Africans in Chicago who moved here after being bound and gagged in their own homes or the like...  I visited SA a few years back, and can't say I didn't feel safe, but there definitely is a level of fear there...
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« Reply #1483 on: March 25, 2019, 02:36:01 PM »
My father grew up in Crown Heights when you couldn't walk the streets alone. He lives in South Africa now behind a 7 foot wall. I'm tempted to read him your posts just to hear his cackles of laughter.
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« Reply #1484 on: March 25, 2019, 02:38:54 PM »
Most Jewish areas had severe crime issues and this includes Lakewood, Boro Park, Williamsburg and Crown Heights.... Newark and Camden have shootings every day and yet many Jews walk and roam the streets.

Jews did not fence themselves nor did they set up corner security posts. It's a way of reacting and I the US we react differently then in SA.

I would really appreciate if you can explain the difference. When I visited I asked multiple people and had a really hard time seeing a major reason for security the way they have it now.  I, as a Jewish looking guy was questioned at length before entering shul on shabbat. Are you seriously suggesting a white Jewish looking Male will do harm to a shul. In NY we  have many races walking into shul unasked and we dont flinch. While security may be necessary even in the US, the level of it in SA IMHO is absurd.

Now that you have decided and established a precedent for security. anything less might be seen as an invitation for crime.

I respect the way they decided to live but to claim it all necessary is absurd.

If you can explain it in detail I'll be more then happy to understand.
It's not a Jewish thing
Its Black/White rich/poor thing
and as far as Major Incidents, what do you call major? 2 months ago i had a family member robbed, gagged and beaten in their own home...... didn't make the news... as if it's a daily occurrence