Author Topic: Southern Africa (SA/Zim/Zam/Botswana/Namibia) Master Thread (Read 479573 times)

Dan · « **Reply #1920 on:** September 17, 2021, 11:33:50 AM »

Need a breakfast, lunch, dinner, and take-away food in JNB.
Recommendations?

Dawie · « **Reply #1921 on:** September 17, 2021, 11:56:51 AM »

Quote from: Dan on September 17, 2021, 11:33:50 AM

Need a breakfast, lunch, dinner, and take-away food in JNB.
Recommendations?

i'll let Yehuda or one of the locals comment on current dining situations
Where are you staying? is the Genesis open? if yes there are options right near there and some in walking distance. I believe up thread Yehoshua said he got POM type meals from Kosher World
I thought it was Nando's kosher for breakfast lunch and supper

This is nearish to Frum section and may be interesting for a night https://www.sanctuarymandela.com/
Points hotels would be the Marriotts in Melrose or the Hyatt by Rosebank mall (there used to be Kosher options in the mall including a good steakhouse... long gone i think)

Yehuda57 · « **Reply #1922 on:** September 17, 2021, 12:02:59 PM »

My info isn't current, but from what I've eaten at, the only can't miss in JNB is Gelatissimo. Last I went they only had Gelato, waffles, and an espresso bar. But I believe the menu has expanded to crepes, pizza, and pastas as well so it might be enough for a breakfast/lunch.

Burgers and Brew's ribs and dirty fries were great.

When it was not chalav Yisroel people raved about next door, but I haven't been.

Nandos we've discussed.

RTG is decent, nothing to write home about.

No place will give you a 5 star dining experience. But the value can't be beat.

I'm also not sure what covid has done to all these places. I know RTG shrunk its dine-in area.

Quote from: Dawie on September 17, 2021, 11:56:51 AM

i'll let Yehuda

Sadly I haven't been in almost 3 years, and even then I only eat in mehadrin commission restaurants.

Dan · « **Reply #1923 on:** September 17, 2021, 12:22:01 PM »

Quote from: Yehuda57 on September 17, 2021, 12:02:59 PM

My info isn't current, but from what I've eaten at, the only can't miss in JNB is Gelatissimo. Last I went they only had Gelato, waffles, and an espresso bar. But I believe the menu has expanded to crepes, pizza, and pastas as well so it might be enough for a breakfast/lunch.

Burgers and Brew's ribs and dirty fries were great.

When it was not chalav Yisroel people raved about next door, but I haven't been.

Nandos we've discussed.

RTG is decent, nothing to write home about.

No place will give you a 5 star dining experience. But the value can't be beat.

I'm also not sure what covid has done to all these places. I know RTG shrunk its dine-in area.
Sadly I haven't been in almost 3 years, and even then I only eat in mehadrin commission restaurants.

Gelatissimo 10am-6pm. Ouch. Will try to fit it in on the last day I guess. Any breakfast places open earlier?

Next Door is CY?

Yehuda57 · « **Reply #1924 on:** September 17, 2021, 12:24:24 PM »

Quote from: Dan on December 28, 2020, 12:13:36 PM

Next Door restaurant now fully CY?
Reviews?

Yehuda57 · « **Reply #1925 on:** September 17, 2021, 12:44:20 PM »

Quote from: Dan on September 17, 2021, 12:22:01 PM

Gelatissimo 10am-6pm. Ouch. Will try to fit it in on the last day I guess. Any breakfast places open earlier?

Next Door is CY?

Corner Cafe is open at 8. You can get a decent breakfast, again, nothing special about it.

Hey Barista is open earlier, I'm not sure if they have a breakfast menu.

Saulius · « **Reply #1926 on:** September 17, 2021, 12:46:08 PM »

Quote from: Dan on September 17, 2021, 12:22:01 PM

Gelatissimo 10am-6pm. Ouch. Will try to fit it in on the last day I guess. Any breakfast places open earlier?

Next Door is CY?

https://www.frangelicas.com - Google shows they open at 7am

Yehuda57 · « **Reply #1927 on:** September 17, 2021, 12:47:09 PM »

Quote from: Saulius on September 17, 2021, 12:46:08 PM

https://www.frangelicas.com - Google shows they open at 7am

Not CY

Dan · « **Reply #1928 on:** September 17, 2021, 12:57:55 PM »

Do any of the places in CPT have CY with CY keilim?
Or just going to be a meat fest there?

Dan · « **Reply #1929 on:** September 17, 2021, 12:58:09 PM »

Quote from: Yehuda57 on September 17, 2021, 12:44:20 PM

Corner Cafe is open at 8. You can get a decent breakfast, again, nothing special about it.

Hey Barista is open earlier, I'm not sure if they have a breakfast menu.

Will contact them, thanks!

tmendy226 · « **Reply #1930 on:** September 17, 2021, 01:40:20 PM »

Quote from: Yehuda57 on September 17, 2021, 12:02:59 PM

My info isn't current, but from what I've eaten at, the only can't miss in JNB is Gelatissimo. Last I went they only had Gelato, waffles, and an espresso bar. But I believe the menu has expanded to crepes, pizza, and pastas as well so it might be enough for a breakfast/lunch.

Burgers and Brew's ribs and dirty fries were great.

When it was not chalav Yisroel people raved about next door, but I haven't been.

Nandos we've discussed.

RTG is decent, nothing to write home about.

No place will give you a 5 star dining experience. But the value can't be beat.

I'm also not sure what covid has done to all these places. I know RTG shrunk its dine-in area.
Sadly I haven't been in almost 3 years, and even then I only eat in mehadrin commission restaurants.

What can’t be missed about gelatissimo?
I was there got ice cream, it’s decent but didn’t find it special. Maybe I’m not such an ice cream guy?

I vote for burger brew. Good food amazing prices.

Moishes’s for deli and biltong (aLOT better and cheaper then the one they sell at KW and I only realized later that KW isn’t MC) and contact them in advance if you want it frozen. We loved their squash Kugel if that’s your thing.

Dawie · « **Reply #1931 on:** September 17, 2021, 03:07:02 PM »

Quote from: Yehuda57 on September 17, 2021, 12:47:09 PM

Not CY

is Shula's ?
cant remember

Yehuda57 · « **Reply #1932 on:** September 17, 2021, 03:13:10 PM »

Quote from: Dawie on September 17, 2021, 03:07:02 PM

is Shula's ?
cant remember

IIRC, yes, but it's a bakery, not a breakfast/lunch place

Dawie · « **Reply #1933 on:** September 17, 2021, 03:50:00 PM »

Quote from: Yehuda57 on September 17, 2021, 03:13:10 PM

IIRC, yes, but it's a bakery, not a breakfast/lunch place

When it was in Yeoville we had many a breakfast and lunch... (yes Scones and cross buns are breakfast)
Google and facebook seem to think it's still a dine in option
Would only be an option if you're staying at the Genesis and want to walk over

Yehuda57 · « **Reply #1934 on:** September 17, 2021, 04:03:13 PM »

Quote from: Dawie on September 17, 2021, 03:50:00 PM

When it was in Yeoville we had many a breakfast and lunch... (yes Scones and cross buns are breakfast)
Google and facebook seem to think it's still a dine in option
Would only be an option if you're staying at the Genesis and want to walk over

In Yeoville and Rosebank Shula's was a restaurant and bakery.

sds1493 · « **Reply #1935 on:** September 18, 2021, 02:38:42 PM »

Frangelicas has a CY kitchen.
Riteve is just about the only milk option in CT. Not CY but since it's on the grounds of the Jewish museum, it is worth a visit if only for a pareve breakfast. Also, a beautiful shul to daven in.
As a local, Nandos for the shtick is worth a visit, and Burgers and Brew. There's a new hot dog and pie place called segells, but I don't think the timing will work for you. The main thing which will impress you is the prices.

Dan · « **Reply #1936 on:** September 18, 2021, 08:56:11 PM »

Quote from: sds1493 on September 18, 2021, 02:38:42 PM

Frangelicas has a CY kitchen.

With dedicated CY cooking utensils? Is that the best breakfast option?

Quote from: sds1493 on September 18, 2021, 02:38:42 PM

As a local, Nandos for the shtick is worth a visit, and Burgers and Brew. There's a new hot dog and pie place called segells, but I don't think the timing will work for you. The main thing which will impress you is the prices.

Next Door still all CY and excellent as well?

Yehuda57 · « **Reply #1937 on:** September 18, 2021, 09:31:59 PM »

You should def try pies as a take out (I've only had Pie Works, never tried Segells), though plenty of foreigners don't like them at all. You should be able to get them double wrapped for a BYOK.

Dan · « **Reply #1938 on:** September 19, 2021, 12:50:57 AM »

Quote from: Dan on September 18, 2021, 08:56:11 PM

With dedicated CY cooking utensils? Is that the best breakfast option?

sds1493 · « **Reply #1939 on:** September 19, 2021, 05:09:39 AM »

Quote from: Dan on September 18, 2021, 08:56:11 PM

With dedicated CY cooking utensils? Is that the best breakfast option?
Next Door still all CY and excellent as well?

For a restaurant breakfast, I would say that is the best option. Corner Cafe or Hey Barista could also work. The latter is a coffee shop, so more limited food options. More vibe-y though, if that's your thing.
Next Door makes great homemade pasta, and has a stone pizza oven. Double wrapping the pasta makes for a great BYOK option.

What did you decide for accommodations in jnb and ct?

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Name	Type	Hours	Contact	Location & Description
Avron's Place (Sea Point)	Meat	S – T: 11am – 3pm; 5pm – 10pm; F: 11am – 2:30pm	+27 (0)21 439 7610 Link	19 – 33 Regent Road - Oldest kosher meat restaurant in SA. The humbly adorned, family-friendly eatery, serves a wide variety of dishes, including beef ribs, burgers, mixed grills, boerewors, Cape lamb curry, vegetarian platters, pastas and sushi. Prices rather reasonable. On Tuesdays there's a special on its beef burger and chips (R49 instead of the usual R59). Offers takeaways and catering and packed Shabbat meals for visitors. For the Sephardim the meat is Bet Yosef. But check to make sure.
The Press (Sea Point)	Meat	S – T: noon – late; F: 11am – 3pm; Sat: 1 hour after Shabbat till late	+27 (0)21 434 7724 Website	176 Main Road - Restaurant and Bar (many craft beers on tap).
Coffee Time (Gardens)	Milk	M – T: 8am – 3:30pm; F: 8am – 3pm	+27 (0)21 461 8414	20 Breda Street - Set in an old house in a lush, garden environment. Lawn seating with views of Table Mountain. Breakfast, brunch or lunch. Menu includes scrambled egg, salmon and humus wrap, fish bobotie with homemade chutney, tuna lasagne, sandwich, salad, quiche or smoothie. Early-morning special between 8am and 11am (a combo of two eggs, grilled tomato and mushrooms goes for R25) and also serves a delicious, and incredibly popular, buffet lunch every Wednesday between 12:30pm and 2:30pm. Gluten-free and sugar-free options. Offers catering. Proceeds support the Astra Centre.
Café Riteve (Gardens)	Milk	S – T: 8:30am – 5pm; F: 8:30am – 3pm	+27 (0)21 465 1594 Website	88 Hatfield Street - Located on a piazza that’s part of the same centre as the historical Gardens Shul, the South African Jewish Museum, the Cape Town Holocaust Centre and the Jacob Gitlin Library. Large and varied menu includes three-egg omelette, sushi salad, grilled hake, falafel with dukkah wedges and humus, tuna and mushroom cannelloni, smoked salmon and cream cheese sandwich and chocolate ganache-filled croissant. Also sells range of shakes and juices as well as kosher wine and liquors. Offers catering, takeaways, no delivery. They had some CY, just ask. The earlier you go the more likely the have.
Goldies Deli and Diner (Sea Point)	Meat & Pareve	S – T: 8:30am – 8pm; F: 8:30am – 4:30pm	+27 (0)21 439 3008 Link	174 Main Road - Meat and parev deli and bakery - next door and connected to The Press. Menu include burgers, steak rolls, schwarmas, bagels, salads, fish cakes, breakfast plates and more. Specials every Wednesday and Friday (deals like a three-course meal for four for R120). Delivery is free in Sea Point. Bakery treats include carrot cake, cinnamon twists, chocolate brownies, doughnuts, cupcakes, apple crumble, croissants and teiglach. Offers Shabbat meal orders.
Café B'tayavon @ Highlands House	Milk		021 461 1100	9 Gorge Rd, Highlands Estate - Snacks and Light Meals
Jean's Kitchen @ The Kaplan Centre	Milk		021 650 3064 info@jeanskitchen.co.za	The Kaplan Centre - University of Cape Town - Tea, coffee, sandwiches, gourmet salads, falafel etc
Baskin Robbins @ Mojo Market (Sea Point)				Note: This is the only kosher B & R All ice creams, ice cream cones, milkshakes and waffles are Kosher, milchik. The following topping ONLY are kosher: Crushed Almonds, Crushed Cashews, Fudge, Mini Astros, Mint Crunch NB: Cakes are NOT KOSHER

Name	Cost	Distance from CPT	Description and Notes
Boulders Beach	R170	35 min	• "I found that there were two different entrances, boardwalk and beach. The boardwalk has a higher density of penguins but if you want a better experience, I recommend visiting the beach side- especially at low tide. Because of the tide I was able to walk past the few dozen folks on the beach, climb under and over some boulders, and encounter effectively a different private beach- with penguins!!" • For budget travelers, take the train to Simonstown and from there a cab to Boulders beach - R20.
Betty’s Bay		1.25 hours	Also features African Penguins though less crowded than Boulders beach, though further.
Chapman's Peak Drive	R45/car	45 min	• Beautiful scenery, you have the mountain on one side and the ocean on the other side, great pics, great to make a BBQ come during daylight hours. NOTE: You need Rand or an SA issued card to pay for the Chapman's Peak toll.
Cape of Good Hope/Cape Point	R360/pp	1.5 hours	• LONG but AMAZING drive • almost a full day activity
Lions Head			• Hike - not difficult • Paragliding - around $85 (prices might be outdated). Book ahead
Robben Island			Tours depart three times a day and take about 3.5 hours, consisting of a ferry trip to and from the island, and a tour of the various historical sites on the island that form part of the Robben Island Museum. These include the island graveyard, the disused lime quarry, Robert Sobukwe's house, the Bluestone quarry, the army and navy bunkers, and the maximum security prison. Nelson Mandela's cell is shown. Reviews are mixed
Table Mountain (Cable car or hike)	~R350		• Follow on Twitter for updates on if open or closed • Cableway costs ~R350 rand pp - depends if morning or afternoon • Can repel down • 895 rand pp (prices might be outdated) • repel for like 15 mins • hike back up is 25 mins • Closes 6pm • BOOK IN ADVANCE
Signal Hill			Go there for a sunset with bit more a "local" flavor. Views aren't great compared to Lion's Head and can be quite crowded at sunset.
V & A Waterfront
The Garden Route			long scenic drive

Kirstenbosch Gardens
Shark Diving	$88 +$34 for video (prices might be outdated)	2 hours	Can do in Gansbaii. Links:1, 2, 3
Sandboarding			Bring goggles!
Skydiving	$170 (prices might be outdated) Cheaper
Quad Biking (ATVs)
Hout Bay market
Kayaking at Hout Bay	Link		Amazing experience. Views may very but can often see Heaviside dolphins jumping right in front of you
Cheetah Outreach			Where you can go and pet cheetahs and other animals super cool. Website
Aquila Private Game Reserve		2 hours	Pricey but quality accommodations for overnight stays. Good for people who aren't leaving Cape Town area but want to see wildlife. Some dismiss as a "glorified zoo"
Cango Wildlife Ranch		5 hours

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Name	Type	Contact	Location & Description
Corner Cafe (Glenhazel)	Milk	+27 11 440-3160 Link	Corner of Queens square and cross road in Glenhazel. Corner Café is the best place to go (or maybe the only) for kosher gluten free muffins. I’m told they’re very good. They also have great breakfasts and pastas, but I usually stick with a toasted cheese and chips.
Dee-Jays (Sandton)	Milk	+27 11 883-2265 Link	Morningview Shopping Centre, 100 South Road, 2196 - Dee-Jays provides casual dairy food that is perfect for a breakfast out with the family. Their fishballs are really good and if you need a cake in the Sandton area, they’re the place to go.
Market Cafe (Norood Mall)	Milk		Cholov Yisroel cafe
KosherWorld, Mi Vami Kosher and Chop N Wok (Glenhazel)		+27 11 440 1402 Website	1 Long Avenue, Johannesburg, 2192
Gelatisimo (Glenhazel)			Across the road from Kosher World, authentic Italian gelato. Chalav Yisroel. Absolutely fantastic.
Michelos (Glenhazel)	Milk	+27 11 885-1500 Link	17 Northfield Ave, Johannesburg, 2192 - Michelos is the second best pizza restaurant. They are very centrally located (in the Jewish area of Glenhazel) and their food is nice. Never go there the night after Pesach because you’ll wait hours but most other times are good, plus they serve chalav yisrael.
Nandos Kosher (Savoy)	Meat	+27 11 885-1496 Website	553 Louis Botha Ave, Savoy, Johannesburg, 2090, South Africa - Nandos is a large chain of Portuguese chicken restaurants, but there is only one kosher Nandos in South Africa, so be aware that you can’t step into any of them! They serve top notch chicken but be sure to also try their beef burger (and order extra sauce).
Next Door "Non-CY" (Norwood)	Milk	+27 11 728-2577 Link	80 Grant Ave, Johannesburg, 2192 - Next Door is rated as a top restaurant in Johannesburg, kosher and not, so you know it must be pretty good. It is usually full so booking is highly recommended. While their sushi may not be top class, their pizzas certainly are and, if you’re around in Summer, definitely try their fish braai (barbeque in South African).
Pie Works (Sandringham)		+27 11 485 2447 Website	74 George Ave, Johannesburg, 2192 - Their pies (clearly) are the best kosher pies in the country and are perfect if you want to buy some to take home and reheat. Their burgers are delicious and the have a milk side with pizza that is really good. They’re situated on what is known as the Kosher Strip, so any Jew will be able to direct you.
RTG "Ready to Go" (Norwood)			A fast food place next door to ... Next Door. While they do offer steak and a Chinese menu, the focus is their extensive burger and hot dog menu.
The Deli Store (Sandton)		011-656-3142 / 4915 info@thedelistore.co.za, http://thedelistore.co.za/menus/main-menu/	Shop 52, (opposite Woolworths) Morning Glen Shopping Mall Cnr Bowling & Kelvin Road Gallo Manor - Reviewed in CBS's TR, as having excellent food for very low prices. According to Google is "Permanently Closed".
So Sushi (Glenhazel)
Jozi Blue (Glenhazel)	Milk		They have some items Cholov Yisroel, which they will serve on disposables on request

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