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UPDATED: Kosher Info from Beth Din in Cape Town (last updated Dec. 2020) http://www.uos.co.za/kashrut/ct_kosher.asp

Kashrus Note According to link above, all meat is glatt however milk is NOT Chalav Israel.

Restaurants

NameTypeHoursContactLocation & Description
Avron's Place (Sea Point)
Meat
S – T: 11am – 3pm; 5pm – 10pm; F: 11am – 2:30pm
+27 (0)21 439 7610 Link
19 – 33 Regent Road - Oldest kosher meat restaurant in SA. The humbly adorned, family-friendly eatery, serves a wide variety of dishes, including beef ribs, burgers, mixed grills, boerewors, Cape lamb curry, vegetarian platters, pastas and sushi. Prices rather reasonable. On Tuesdays there's a special on its beef burger and chips (R49 instead of the usual R59). Offers takeaways and catering and packed Shabbat meals for visitors. For the Sephardim the meat is Bet Yosef. But check to make sure.
The Press (Sea Point)
Meat
S – T: noon – late; F: 11am – 3pm; Sat: 1 hour after Shabbat till late
+27 (0)21 434 7724 Website
176 Main Road - Restaurant and Bar (many craft beers on tap).
Coffee Time (Gardens)
Milk
M – T: 8am – 3:30pm; F: 8am – 3pm
+27 (0)21 461 8414
20 Breda Street - Set in an old house in a lush, garden environment. Lawn seating with views of Table Mountain. Breakfast, brunch or lunch. Menu includes scrambled egg, salmon and humus wrap, fish bobotie with homemade chutney, tuna lasagne, sandwich, salad, quiche or smoothie. Early-morning special between 8am and 11am (a combo of two eggs, grilled tomato and mushrooms goes for R25) and also serves a delicious, and incredibly popular, buffet lunch every Wednesday between 12:30pm and 2:30pm. Gluten-free and sugar-free options. Offers catering. Proceeds support the Astra Centre.
Café Riteve (Gardens)
Milk
S – T: 8:30am – 5pm; F: 8:30am – 3pm
+27 (0)21 465 1594
Website
88 Hatfield Street - Located on a piazza that’s part of the same centre as the historical Gardens Shul, the South African Jewish Museum, the Cape Town Holocaust Centre and the Jacob Gitlin Library. Large and varied menu includes three-egg omelette, sushi salad, grilled hake, falafel with dukkah wedges and humus, tuna and mushroom cannelloni, smoked salmon and cream cheese sandwich and chocolate ganache-filled croissant. Also sells range of shakes and juices as well as kosher wine and liquors. Offers catering, takeaways, no delivery. They had some CY, just ask. The earlier you go the more likely the have.
Goldies Deli and Diner (Sea Point)
Meat & Pareve
S – T: 8:30am – 8pm; F: 8:30am – 4:30pm
+27 (0)21 439 3008
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174 Main Road - Meat and parev deli and bakery - next door and connected to The Press. Menu include burgers, steak rolls, schwarmas, bagels, salads, fish cakes, breakfast plates and more. Specials every Wednesday and Friday (deals like a three-course meal for four for R120). Delivery is free in Sea Point. Bakery treats include carrot cake, cinnamon twists, chocolate brownies, doughnuts, cupcakes, apple crumble, croissants and teiglach. Offers Shabbat meal orders.
Café B'tayavon @ Highlands House
Milk
021 461 1100
9 Gorge Rd, Highlands Estate - Snacks and Light Meals
Jean's Kitchen @ The Kaplan Centre
Milk
021 650 3064 info@jeanskitchen.co.za
The Kaplan Centre - University of Cape Town - Tea, coffee,
sandwiches, gourmet salads, falafel etc
Baskin Robbins @ Mojo Market (Sea Point)
Note: This is the only kosher B & R
All ice creams, ice cream cones, milkshakes and waffles are Kosher, milchik.
The following topping ONLY are kosher: Crushed Almonds, Crushed Cashews, Fudge, Mini Astros, Mint Crunch
NB: Cakes are NOT KOSHER

Bakeries, Groceries & Ice Cream
Checkers Sea Point- 76 Regent Road - They have a large selection of kosher products including a kosher take out and bakery.
Spar Sea Point - 96 Regent Road - They have a large selection of kosher products including a kosher take out and bakery.

Shuls
Sea point is the main Jewish area.
Green and Sea Point Hebrew Congregation (Marais Road Shul)
Chabad


Hotels with Points near a Shul (Walking Minutes)
Protea Sea Point

Airport Transfer Options
Cab -
Executive Bus -
Public Bus -
Train -

Major Activities
Name
Cost
Distance from CPT
Description and Notes
Boulders Beach
R17035 min• "I found that there were two different entrances, boardwalk and beach. The boardwalk has a higher density of penguins but if you want a better experience, I recommend visiting the beach side- especially at low tide. Because of the tide I was able to walk past the few dozen folks on the beach, climb under and over some boulders, and encounter effectively a different private beach- with penguins!!"
• For budget travelers, take the train to Simonstown and from there a cab to Boulders beach - R20.
Betty’s Bay
1.25 hoursAlso features African Penguins though less crowded than Boulders beach, though further.
Chapman's Peak Drive
R45/car45 min• Beautiful scenery, you have the mountain on one side and the ocean on the other side, great pics, great to make a BBQ come during daylight hours.
NOTE: You need Rand or an SA issued card to pay for the Chapman's Peak toll.
Cape of Good Hope/Cape Point
R360/pp1.5 hours• LONG but AMAZING drive
• almost a full day activity
Lions Head
• Hike - not difficult
• Paragliding - around $85 (prices might be outdated). Book ahead
Robben Island
Tours depart three times a day and take about 3.5 hours, consisting of a ferry trip to and from the island, and a tour of the various historical sites on the island that form part of the Robben Island Museum. These include the island graveyard, the disused lime quarry, Robert Sobukwe's house, the Bluestone quarry, the army and navy bunkers, and the maximum security prison. Nelson Mandela's cell is shown. Reviews are mixed
Table Mountain (Cable car or hike)
~R350• Follow on Twitter for updates on if open or closed
• Cableway costs ~R350 rand pp - depends if morning or afternoon
• Can repel down
• 895 rand pp (prices might be outdated)
• repel for like 15 mins
• hike back up is 25 mins
• Closes 6pm
• BOOK IN ADVANCE
Signal Hill
Go there for a sunset with bit more a "local" flavor. Views aren't great compared to Lion's Head and can be quite crowded at sunset.
V & A Waterfront
The Garden Route
long scenic drive

Kirstenbosch Gardens
Shark Diving
$88 +$34 for video (prices might be outdated)2 hoursCan do in Gansbaii. Links:1, 2, 3

Sandboarding
Bring goggles!
Skydiving
$170 (prices might be outdated)
Cheaper
Quad Biking (ATVs)

Hout Bay market

Kayaking at Hout Bay
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Amazing experience. Views may very but can often see Heaviside dolphins jumping right in front of you
Cheetah Outreach
Where you can go and pet cheetahs and other animals super cool. Website

Aquila Private Game Reserve

2 hoursPricey but quality accommodations for overnight stays. Good for people who aren't leaving Cape Town area but want to see wildlife. Some dismiss as a "glorified zoo"
Cango Wildlife Ranch

5 hours


Winelands
[Likely way more then listed but those are the few I remember]
(Might be worthwhile to make a trip to the winelands, even if one does not enjoy wine, for the scenery. Only about an hour or two from CPT)
  • Franschoek
  • Kleine Dracken - Kosher
  • Backsberg - Kosher

Johannesburg

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Restaurants
http://www.uos.co.za/kashrut/restaurants.asp

http://yeahthatskosher.com/2013/04/kosher-restaurants-travel-advice-for-johannesburg-south-africa-joberg/

Map of Kosher Johannesburg

NameTypeContactLocation & Description
Corner Cafe (Glenhazel)
Milk
+27 11 440-3160 Link
Corner of Queens square and cross road in Glenhazel. Corner Café is the best place to go (or maybe the only) for kosher gluten free muffins. I’m told they’re very good. They also have great breakfasts and pastas, but I usually stick with a toasted cheese and chips.
Dee-Jays (Sandton)
Milk
+27 11 883-2265 Link
Morningview Shopping Centre, 100 South Road, 2196 - Dee-Jays provides casual dairy food that is perfect for a breakfast out with the family. Their fishballs are really good and if you need a cake in the Sandton area, they’re the place to go.
Market Cafe (Norood Mall)
Milk
Cholov Yisroel cafe
KosherWorld, Mi Vami Kosher and Chop N Wok (Glenhazel)
+27 11 440 1402 Website
1 Long Avenue, Johannesburg, 2192
Gelatisimo (Glenhazel)
Across the road from Kosher World, authentic Italian gelato. Chalav Yisroel. Absolutely fantastic.
Michelos (Glenhazel)
Milk
+27 11 885-1500 Link
17 Northfield Ave, Johannesburg, 2192 - Michelos is the second best pizza restaurant. They are very centrally located (in the Jewish area of Glenhazel) and their food is nice. Never go there the night after Pesach because you’ll wait hours but most other times are good, plus they serve chalav yisrael.
Nandos Kosher (Savoy)
Meat
+27 11 885-1496 Website
553 Louis Botha Ave, Savoy, Johannesburg, 2090, South Africa - Nandos is a large chain of Portuguese chicken restaurants, but there is only one kosher Nandos in South Africa, so be aware that you can’t step into any of them! They serve top notch chicken but be sure to also try their beef burger (and order extra sauce).
Next Door "Non-CY" (Norwood)
Milk
+27 11 728-2577 Link
80 Grant Ave, Johannesburg, 2192 - Next Door is rated as a top restaurant in Johannesburg, kosher and not, so you know it must be pretty good. It is usually full so booking is highly recommended. While their sushi may not be top class, their pizzas certainly are and, if you’re around in Summer, definitely try their fish braai (barbeque in South African).
Pie Works (Sandringham)
+27 11 485 2447 Website
74 George Ave, Johannesburg, 2192 - Their pies (clearly) are the best kosher pies in the country and are perfect if you want to buy some to take home and reheat. Their burgers are delicious and the have a milk side with pizza that is really good. They’re situated on what is known as the Kosher Strip, so any Jew will be able to direct you.
RTG "Ready to Go" (Norwood)
A fast food place next door to ... Next Door. While they do offer steak and a Chinese menu, the focus is their extensive burger and hot dog menu.
The Deli Store (Sandton)
011-656-3142 / 4915  info@thedelistore.co.za, http://thedelistore.co.za/menus/main-menu/
Shop 52, (opposite Woolworths) Morning Glen Shopping Mall Cnr Bowling & Kelvin Road Gallo Manor - Reviewed in CBS's TR, as having excellent food for very low prices. According to Google is "Permanently Closed".
So Sushi (Glenhazel)
Jozi Blue (Glenhazel)
Milk
They have some items Cholov Yisroel, which they will serve on disposables on request


Bakeries, Groceries & Ice Cream
Kosher World - http://www.kosherworld.co.za/

Shuls

Hotels with Points near a Shul (Walking Minutes)

Airport Transfer Options
Cab - Uber
Executive Bus - Shuttle from HLA airport to anywhere in Sandton for R80 per person.
Public Bus -
Train - Gautrain from JNB airport is R135-155 depending on destination. Must purchase gold card before for R13.

Major Activities
Apartheid Museum
Flea Market
Gold Reef City - amusement park, along with other African themed attractions (tribal dancing, old "gold mine tour")
Lion Park - see lions from your car up close, pet lion cubs.
Monte Casino - Casino and shopping mall, with cool "outdoor" Tuscan style
Soweto Tour
Pilanesberg Safari- If you can't make it to Kruger for malaria, time or other concerns,  this is a much smaller park with less wildlife, and not as good of an experience, but definitely well worth it. About 2 hours out of Joburg, it can be done in your own vehicle, but will be a lot better with a guided game drive.
Sun City Right outside of Pilansberg
Elephant & Monkey Sanctuary- About an hour out of Joburg. Get close to elephants, touch, feed and ride them. The monkey sanctuary has a massive enclosure with hundreds of various monkeys and lemurs. No feeding or touching, unless one jumps on you. If you do go to Pilansberg, this can be done on the way.

Kruger National Park

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Major Activities

Near Kruger:

The Panoramic Route includes a half dozen waterfalls; Lisbon, Horseshoe, Bridal Vail, Mac Mac, Sabie and others; The Potholes, G-d's Window, Wonder View, The Pinnacle, The Three Rondawels and views of the stunning Blyde River Canyon (third largest canyon in the world).

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Dates I was looking at, they were almost double the amount that Kulula and Mango were asking for. Cheapest there is FlySafair but their times weren't good.

FlySafair is also much cheaper for my dates in September..

Are all these airlines legit?

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FlySafair is also much cheaper for my dates in September..

Are all these airlines legit?

FlySafair have only been around for about 3 months now. Mango is here since '06 and Kulula since '01.

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« Reply #145 on: January 19, 2015, 10:28:53 PM »
First time in South Africa w/ 2 friends in Mid February. We arrive in Johannesburg on at 5:10PM and have a safari the next day. The last citybug transfer that we found leaves for Nelspruit at 6:00PM. It will be very tight to make that transfer. There is a greyhound coach that leaves at 10:00PM but doesn't get in until 2:30AMm. We don’t want to rent a car and drive at night because we heard it is not that safe. Anyone know any other buses or transportation options available that leave from Johannesburg Airport (JNB) to Nelspruit at around 7/8PM? Your help is much appreciated!!
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« Reply #146 on: January 19, 2015, 10:31:31 PM »
First time in South Africa w/ 2 friends in Mid February. We arrive in Johannesburg on at 5:10PM and have a safari the next day. The last citybug transfer that we found leaves for Kruger (Nelspruit) at 6:00PM. It will be very tight to make that transfer. There is a greyhound coach that leaves at 10:00PM but doesn't get in until 2:30AMm. We don’t want to rent a car and drive at night because we heard it is not that safe. Anyone know any other buses or transportation options available that leave from Johannesburg Airport (JNB) to Kruger (Nelspruit) at around 7/8PM? Your help is much appreciated!!

That's a super tight connection, made all the more risky because you'll likely have to wait for checked bags. Odds are you're not gonna make that connection.
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A friend and I are going to South Africa in March with the EY deal. Landing in JNB at 8:40A on Wed 3/11 and departing JNB at 8:30P on Mon 3/16.

I was originally thinking to go straight from the airport to Sun City on Wed and do that and Pilatesburg, return to spend Shabbos in Jo'burg and then fly to either VFA or LVI on Sunday, see Victoria Falls, and the return to JNB on Monday and take flight back to AUH.

After reading this thread and doing other research, I'm thinking that Kruger might be a better call for the Wed-Fri trip. Anyone have thoughts on that? Also is anyone else going to be there then who might be interested in setting up a Kruger trip? Is there a provider who offers a kosher Kruger trip of such a short length? Any ideas or advice for this would be appreciated!

Also, a lot of people on here seem to be big CPT fans. Might that be a better option than Vic Falls for Sun/Mon? Or is that not nearly enough time for CPT and it would be better served being saved for a future trip? (It seems like one day is certainly enough time for Vic Falls. Anyone disagree?)

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« Reply #148 on: February 01, 2015, 02:14:08 PM »
A friend and I are going to South Africa in March with the EY deal. Landing in JNB at 8:40A on Wed 3/11 and departing JNB at 8:30P on Mon 3/16.

I was originally thinking to go straight from the airport to Sun City on Wed and do that and Pilatesburg, return to spend Shabbos in Jo'burg and then fly to either VFA or LVI on Sunday, see Victoria Falls, and the return to JNB on Monday and take flight back to AUH.

After reading this thread and doing other research, I'm thinking that Kruger might be a better call for the Wed-Fri trip. Anyone have thoughts on that? Also is anyone else going to be there then who might be interested in setting up a Kruger trip? Is there a provider who offers a kosher Kruger trip of such a short length? Any ideas or advice for this would be appreciated!

Also, a lot of people on here seem to be big CPT fans. Might that be a better option than Vic Falls for Sun/Mon? Or is that not nearly enough time for CPT and it would be better served being saved for a future trip? (It seems like one day is certainly enough time for Vic Falls. Anyone disagree?)

Thanks in advance!

My wife and are going at the same times.

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« Reply #149 on: February 01, 2015, 08:16:26 PM »
What are your plans for while you're there?
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« Reply #150 on: February 01, 2015, 10:41:12 PM »
What are your plans for while you're there?

It’s a work in progress. Having some issues because we want to go to the falls and Cape Town but can’t find flights. Flights between cities in Africa are only available once a day, in the middle of the day. That means a trip from the falls to Cape Town usually takes two days, with a full day stopover in Johannesburg.

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« Reply #151 on: February 01, 2015, 11:23:32 PM »
True, which is why I'm thinking to only do one of the two this trip and save the other for a different time. I was just shmoozing with a local who says that Cape Town is a must-do, but he agreed with me, that if I only have a day to spend there, I'm better off with Victoria Falls, as that can better be done in a single day, whereas in Cape Town it would only be the tip of the iceberg. That's what I'm leaning towards right now.

You have any thoughts to doing Kruger?
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« Reply #152 on: February 03, 2015, 09:44:00 AM »
Agree that with a day, you are forced to skip Cape Town.

Unless you have the very, very minimum two days and one night, you're gonna be forced to skip Kruger, too.
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« Reply #153 on: February 03, 2015, 12:54:21 PM »
I was in Johannesburg for a few days without time for jaunts to Cape Town, Kruger or to do other serious touring. Here is a quick TR:

On our first day we drove out to the Lion Park, which is probably the biggest "must do" for tourists in Johannesburg. It has different self drive camps where you watch prides of lions from your car, and then you can go into an enclosure to pet and take pictures with lion cubs. The latter is super fun, and if you know anyone who went to SA and has pictures with lions - this is most likely where they did it.



It’s very difficult for me to find a picture without anyone in it!

About 10 minutes from the Lion Park is a place called Heia Safari Lodge. It's a lodge and conference center that has giraffes, zebra, springbok and other game walking around the premises, as well as a small dam. You can enter the grounds for free and walk around and get real close to these animals, which is cool.

On day two, we left Johannesburg at 4:00am and drove out to Pilansberg. It is like a little brother to Kruger. We got there at 6:00am. We got to see elephant and rhino real close, as well as loads of zebra, kudu, warthog, wildebeest, impala and other calves. Must be to do with the time of year we were there. We left just after midday, and managed to get through a nice chunk of the park. If you don't have enough time for Kruger, it is a great option to see some wildlife.








The exchange rate provides fantastic value for money in South Africa, especially in the restaurant dept! These are the places I visited on this trip:

Metsuyan – Finally! A classy and elegant restaurant in South Africa. The food is terrific too. The ribs were unbelievably tender and flavorful, and the steak was grilled to a perfect medium rare. Sushi appetizers were great, and sushi has never been good in South Africa.

RTG (Ready to Go) – As the name suggests, a fast food/take out joint. Is has a bunch of interesting burgers and hot dogs. I didn't try their Chinese menu, and their scotch fillet was ok, though not great.

Corner Café and Mooz brothers – decent breakfast and lunch places. Nothing especially good to write about, though they do have free wifi! I would say Corner Cafe has the better food of the two.

Michellos – You can get by with their pizza and fries, but if you are going to South Africa, load up on the meat!
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« Reply #154 on: February 03, 2015, 12:57:39 PM »
Flight from AUH arriving into JNB at 5:10pm. Will it be enough time after clearing customs and switching terminals to make a 7:25pm flight to CPT? (2h15m).

Know a couple of people who just did this with even less time than you, and made it breathing easily, without rushing at all.
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Re: South Africa Master Thread
« Reply #155 on: February 03, 2015, 02:00:50 PM »
Know a couple of people who just did this with even less time than you, and made it breathing easily, without rushing at all.

Thanks and thanks for the great mini TR. If I have only 2 days in Joburg would you recommend go for a night to Kruger, or do a day trip to Piburg and a day in Joburg?

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Re: South Africa Master Thread
« Reply #156 on: February 03, 2015, 02:27:57 PM »
Thanks and thanks for the great mini TR. If I have only 2 days in Joburg would you recommend go for a night to Kruger, or do a day trip to Piburg and a day in Joburg?

Are they two full days? For instance, a friend just left very early Sunday morning from Johannesburg, and did the "Panoramic Route;" Blyde River Canyon, the Three Rondawels, G-d's Window/Wonderview, the Potholes, Lisbon and Berlin falls and then stayed overnight in Hazyview. Monday: entered Kruger at opening time, spent a full day there and drove back to JHB. That's a packed itinerary, and many will balk at driving from Kruger to JHB through the night. (if you left Kruger from their southern gates at closing, you'd get back to JHB at around 11:30-12:30) but for a once in a lifetime trip, it may be worth it. If you wanna skip the scenery stuff and do Kruger only, it's even more doable.

But, unless you really want to do Kruger specifically, with just 2 days you'd probably be better off doing a Pilansberg trip. You could stay overnight in Pilansberg and do a guided sunrise/sunset game drive in an open top jeep, ala Kruger. You could also stop on the way at Haartebeesport Dam or Magaliesberg, or visit Sun City.

Be aware that Kruger is a malaria area, that could affect some people decisions on staying overnight.

The thing about the safaris is that there is so much luck involved. You don't want to drive 6 hours each way to Kruger, be there for only a few hours and see nothing. If you drive 2 hours to Pilansberg each way and see some mosquitos, it won't hurt as much.

Besides for the restaurants and Jewish infrastructure, there is nothing particularly interesting in Johannesburg IMHO. Touring Soweto might be, I've never done it and there are riots going on now, so it was out of the question for me on this trip.
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« Reply #157 on: February 03, 2015, 02:49:37 PM »
Are they two full days? For instance, a friend just left very early Sunday morning from Johannesburg, and did the "Panoramic Route;" Blyde River Canyon, the Three Rondawels, G-d's Window/Wonderview, the Potholes, Lisbon and Berlin falls and then stayed overnight in Hazyview. Monday: entered Kruger at opening time, spent a full day there and drove back to JHB. That's a packed itinerary, and many will balk at driving from Kruger to JHB through the night. (if you left Kruger from their southern gates at closing, you'd get back to JHB at around 11:30-12:30) but for a once in a lifetime trip, it may be worth it. If you wanna skip the scenery stuff and do Kruger only, it's even more doable.

But, unless you really want to do Kruger specifically, with just 2 days you'd probably be better off doing a Pilansberg trip. You could stay overnight in Pilansberg and do a guided sunrise/sunset game drive in an open top jeep, ala Kruger. You could also stop on the way at Haartebeesport Dam or Magaliesberg, or visit Sun City.

Be aware that Kruger is a malaria area, that could affect some people decisions on staying overnight.

The thing about the safaris is that there is so much luck involved. You don't want to drive 6 hours each way to Kruger, be there for only a few hours and see nothing. If you drive 2 hours to Pilansberg each way and see some mosquitos, it won't hurt as much.

Besides for the restaurants and Jewish infrastructure, there is nothing particularly interesting in Johannesburg IMHO. Touring Soweto might be, I've never done it and there are riots going on now, so it was out of the question for me on this trip.

I would be in Joburg from Friday noon, gonna stay there for Shabbos and my return flight is 8:30pm Monday night. So I have from MS till about 6 on Monday. If I were to never return to SA anytime soon, is it better "to do" Kruger with all that shlep to just be there for a night and two short game drives? Or will I see close to as much action in Piburg as well?

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Re: South Africa Master Thread
« Reply #158 on: February 03, 2015, 03:13:29 PM »
Not worth 8-10 hours of driving for half of one day and the other half of another. Sure, you can see things in Kruger that you wouldn't in Piburg, but you can just as likely not see anything.

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Re: South Africa Master Thread
« Reply #159 on: February 03, 2015, 03:16:12 PM »
I would be in Joburg from Friday noon, gonna stay there for Shabbos and my return flight is 8:30pm Monday night. So I have from MS till about 6 on Monday. If I were to never return to SA anytime soon, is it better "to do" Kruger with all that shlep to just be there for a night and two short game drives? Or will I see close to as much action in Piburg as well?
Is it doable? Yes. Should it be done? Probably not. It depends on what type of traveler you are. You'll spend 10-12 hours of those 2 days driving at crazy hours on stretches of sketchy roads. (though mostly highway)

But if you like to live on the wild side, and Kruger means that much to you, I guess you could go for it. it will make for a memorable trip, if not the most practical.

ETA: As AJK said far more succinctly ;-)
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