Author Topic: Southern Africa (SA/Zim/Zam/Botswana/Namibia) Master Thread (Read 474931 times)

Dawie · « **Reply #1600 on:** December 27, 2019, 11:30:35 AM »

Quote from: Yehuda57 on December 27, 2019, 10:54:40 AM

Wait, Swaziland changed names?! *Runs to Google* Holy crap, how did I not know that?

Wait does that mean i have to go back and get a new passport stamp for eSwatini
@Something Fishy does that count as a new stamp?

Yehuda57 · « **Reply #1601 on:** December 27, 2019, 11:35:14 AM »

Quote from: Dawie on December 27, 2019, 11:30:35 AM

Wait does that mean i have to go back and get a new passport stamp for eSwatini
@Something Fishy does that count as a new stamp?

If JNB changed codes every time it changed names, we'd be the winners on the number of unique airports thread.

Dawie · « **Reply #1602 on:** December 27, 2019, 11:40:15 AM »

Quote from: Yehuda57 on December 27, 2019, 11:35:14 AM

If JNB changed codes every time it changed names, we'd be the winners on the number of unique airports thread.

Still Jan Smuts to me...
how bout CPT
https://ewn.co.za/2018/06/01/process-to-rename-ct-international-airport-underway

Malema wants to change it to WMM

Dan · « **Reply #1603 on:** December 27, 2019, 12:29:28 PM »

Quote from: Dan on December 24, 2019, 06:46:45 PM

Thoughts on this outline?

Su CLE-EWR 1:14pm-2:58pm
5:32 connection in Newark
Su EWR-CPT 8:30pm-5pm+1
6 nights in Cape Town
Su CPT-VFA 830am-1115am
1 night in Vic Falls
Mo LVI-MQP 205pm-345pm
3 nights in the Kruger
Th MQP-JNB 8:25am-9:15am
8 hours in Joburg, Gelatisimo+Nandos (anything else?)
Th JNB-CPT 5:05pm-7:10pm
1:40 connection in Cape Town
Th CPT-EWR 8:50pm-5:45am+1
3:20 connection in Newark
Fr EWR-CLE 905am-1045am

Quote from: Joe4007 on December 25, 2019, 08:52:30 AM

Looks great. Just note that if you plan on staying at a private reserve, you'll miss the evening game drive on Monday and morning game drive on Thursday.

Quote from: cdlaz on December 25, 2019, 03:10:25 AM

LVI is in Zambia (VFA Zimbabwe) border crossing is cool, "rain" ie. spray from the falls all year on the bridge. You go out of Zimbabwe, and into Zambia then take a cab to the airport. Will you also see the falls from the Zambian side?
Joburg, skip Nando's - go to "burger and brew" (next to Gelatisimo) or RTG (if you go to Burger and Brew, there is a Kosher only supermarket across the street)
1:40 connection isn't enough, the evening flights from JNB to CPT are often delayed
CPT Passport control takes time, sometimes just 2 agents for a few flights

OK, updated to address these concerns. Still miss Monday evening safari, but seems like there's no alternative there unless I'm missing something. I also can't find any way from Vic Falls to HDS without an overnight, so need to figure out how to get from MQP to HDS area as it seems like Kings Camp only offers transfers from HDS.

Su CLE-EWR 1:14pm-2:58pm
5:32 connection in Newark
Su EWR-CPT 8:30pm-5pm+1
4 nights in Cape Town (Stay at ?)
Fr CPT-JNB 730am-925am
2 nights in Joburg (Stay at Genesis hotel?)
Su JNB-VFA 1050am-1225pm
1 night in Vic Falls (Stay at ?)
Mo LVI-MQP 205pm-345pm
3 nights in the Kruger (Stay at King's camp?)
Th HDS-CPT 1:50pm-4:25pm
4:25 connection in Cape Town
Th CPT-EWR 8:50pm-5:45am+1
3:20 connection in Newark
Fr EWR-CLE 905am-1045am

Joe4007 · « **Reply #1604 on:** December 27, 2019, 12:47:04 PM »

Quote from: Dan on December 27, 2019, 12:29:28 PM

OK, updated to address these concerns. Still miss Monday evening safari, but seems like there's no alternative there unless I'm missing something. I also can't find any way from Vic Falls to HDS without an overnight, so need to figure out how to get from MQP to HDS area as it seems like Kings Camp only offers transfers from HDS.

Su CLE-EWR 1:14pm-2:58pm
5:32 connection in Newark
Su EWR-CPT 8:30pm-5pm+1
4 nights in Cape Town (Stay at ?)
Fr CPT-JNB 730am-925am
2 nights in Joburg (Stay at Genesis hotel?)
Su JNB-VFA 1050am-1225pm
1 night in Vic Falls (Stay at ?)
Mo LVI-MQP 205pm-345pm
3 nights in the Kruger (Stay at King's camp?)
Th HDS-CPT 1:50pm-4:25pm
4:25 connection in Cape Town
Th CPT-EWR 8:50pm-5:45am+1
3:20 connection in Newark
Fr EWR-CLE 905am-1045am

You could take the long way from MQP to kings Camp by self driving in Kruger. That way you only check in on Tuesday and get all 4 game drives you paid for + the self driving Kruger experience.

That's essentially what I did, but with less driving as I stayed in Sabi Sands.

Dan · « **Reply #1605 on:** December 27, 2019, 12:50:01 PM »

Quote from: Joe4007 on December 27, 2019, 12:47:04 PM

You could take the long way from MQP to kings Camp by self driving in Kruger. That way you only check in on Tuesday and get all 4 game drives you paid for + the self driving Kruger experience.

That's essentially what I did, but with less driving as I stayed in Sabi Sands.

Are there one-way rentals available?

Joe4007 · « **Reply #1606 on:** December 27, 2019, 12:51:33 PM »

Quote from: Dan on December 27, 2019, 12:50:01 PM

Are there one-way rentals available?

Yes. I rented MQP-SZK.

Dan · « **Reply #1607 on:** December 27, 2019, 12:52:26 PM »

Quote from: Joe4007 on December 27, 2019, 12:51:33 PM

Yes. I rented MQP-SZK.

From?

Dawie · « **Reply #1608 on:** December 27, 2019, 12:58:30 PM »

Quote from: Dan on December 27, 2019, 12:29:28 PM

OK, updated to address these concerns. Still miss Monday evening safari, but seems like there's no alternative there unless I'm missing something. I also can't find any way from Vic Falls to HDS without an overnight, so need to figure out how to get from MQP to HDS area as it seems like Kings Camp only offers transfers from HDS.

Su CLE-EWR 1:14pm-2:58pm
5:32 connection in Newark
Su EWR-CPT 8:30pm-5pm+1
4 nights in Cape Town (Stay at ?)
Fr CPT-JNB 730am-925am
2 nights in Joburg (Stay at Genesis hotel?)
Su JNB-VFA 1050am-1225pm
1 night in Vic Falls (Stay at ?)
Mo LVI-MQP 205pm-345pm
3 nights in the Kruger (Stay at King's camp?)
Th HDS-CPT 1:50pm-4:25pm
4:25 connection in Cape Town
Th CPT-EWR 8:50pm-5:45am+1
3:20 connection in Newark
Fr EWR-CLE 905am-1045am

Any travel company in the area should be able to arrange a transfer
for example https://johan982.wixsite.com/thula-seats-blog
(first thing that came up in google search)
or https://www.vombatours.com/tours/road-transfers/

As far as one way rental go, both Budget and Avis have one ways for like $30
(and you get to drive on the wrong side of road... which you would anyway to avoid the potholes)

as far as VFA goes
Kingdom is ok and is closest to the falls (there was, last time i was there a path directly to the gorge and zipline out the back, but you got to dodge the hawkers not sure if thats still like that)
other was the Ilala

Royal Livingstone on the LVI side if you choose to stay on that side

Joe4007 · « **Reply #1609 on:** December 27, 2019, 01:00:07 PM »

Quote from: Dan on December 27, 2019, 12:52:26 PM

From?

Avis.

Joe4007 · « **Reply #1610 on:** December 27, 2019, 01:30:37 PM »

Quote from: Dan on December 27, 2019, 12:29:28 PM

OK, updated to address these concerns. Still miss Monday evening safari, but seems like there's no alternative there unless I'm missing something. I also can't find any way from Vic Falls to HDS without an overnight, so need to figure out how to get from MQP to HDS area as it seems like Kings Camp only offers transfers from HDS.

Su CLE-EWR 1:14pm-2:58pm
5:32 connection in Newark
Su EWR-CPT 8:30pm-5pm+1
4 nights in Cape Town (Stay at ?)
Fr CPT-JNB 730am-925am
2 nights in Joburg (Stay at Genesis hotel?)
Su JNB-VFA 1050am-1225pm
1 night in Vic Falls (Stay at ?)
Mo LVI-MQP 205pm-345pm
3 nights in the Kruger (Stay at King's camp?)
Th HDS-CPT 1:50pm-4:25pm
4:25 connection in Cape Town
Th CPT-EWR 8:50pm-5:45am+1
3:20 connection in Newark
Fr EWR-CLE 905am-1045am

Regarding hotel choice in CPT, I'm guessing after spending $$$ on Safari you'd want to minimize the damage for CPT. We stayed at 15 on Orange and enjoyed it. Rooms are pretty big and at 25k Marriott points it is a pretty good deal.

It is a 5-10 minute walk from the Jewish Museum and Cafe Riteve.

mimb · « **Reply #1611 on:** December 27, 2019, 01:39:11 PM »

Quote from: Dan on December 26, 2019, 12:59:36 PM

Amazing!!!
Anyone else have safari recommendations?

I stayed at the Shiduli lodge in the Karongwe Portfolio. I believe it's a private game reserve but we saw all the Big 5 and had a great time. I picked up kosher food in JNB and brought it with us there and the chef heated it up for us every night.

Would also add the the flight logistics in South Africa make absolutely no sense, so don't even bother trying to figure it out. For the safari portion, we used a travel agent to book logistics and transfers for us in VFA and Safari, it made the process much easier since you're literally in a 3rd world country and don't want to be worrying about taxis and logistics.

In CPT, we stayed at the Protea in the Jewish neighborhood. It was at best a 2.5* hotel but being located directly next to the Shul and restaurants was very convenient.

Be prepared for zero water pressure when you shower in CPT!!!

Dawie · « **Reply #1612 on:** December 27, 2019, 01:45:40 PM »

Quote from: Dan on December 27, 2019, 12:29:28 PM

4 nights in Cape Town (Stay at ?)

CPT can be really tricky because there are so many options of where to be and what type of experience you are looking for
there are dozens of great boutique hotels, AirBNB, you can stay on a Yacht @ the VA Waterfront, Villa's, treehouse etc.
The area you most likely want be be situated in is around Seapoint or Gardens where you could have food and minyan
Top points hotels would be the Westin or 15 on Orange
There are also a couple Raddisons that are nice
The protea in Sea point is right in middle of the "jewish" area close to Shoprite, Chabad and OhrSom... Checkers and Avrons being further down the road
15 on orange is around the corner from Cafe Rivete and Gardens Synagogue

AJK · « **Reply #1613 on:** December 27, 2019, 02:11:03 PM »

Quote from: Dan on December 27, 2019, 12:29:28 PM

OK, updated to address these concerns. Still miss Monday evening safari, but seems like there's no alternative there unless I'm missing something. I also can't find any way from Vic Falls to HDS without an overnight, so need to figure out how to get from MQP to HDS area as it seems like Kings Camp only offers transfers from HDS.

Su CLE-EWR 1:14pm-2:58pm
5:32 connection in Newark
Su EWR-CPT 8:30pm-5pm+1
4 nights in Cape Town (Stay at ?)
Fr CPT-JNB 730am-925am
2 nights in Joburg (Stay at Genesis hotel?)
Su JNB-VFA 1050am-1225pm
1 night in Vic Falls (Stay at ?)
Mo LVI-MQP 205pm-345pm
3 nights in the Kruger (Stay at King's camp?)
Th HDS-CPT 1:50pm-4:25pm
4:25 connection in Cape Town
Th CPT-EWR 8:50pm-5:45am+1
3:20 connection in Newark
Fr EWR-CLE 905am-1045am

This looks like a solid itin.

We stayed at the Westin which was very nice (aside from being propositioned in the Lobby with my wife).

Also, the Radisson Blu Hotel Waterfront looks nice, too.

jomaster28 · « **Reply #1614 on:** December 27, 2019, 02:33:32 PM »

Quote from: Dan on December 27, 2019, 12:29:28 PM

OK, updated to address these concerns. Still miss Monday evening safari, but seems like there's no alternative there unless I'm missing something. I also can't find any way from Vic Falls to HDS without an overnight, so need to figure out how to get from MQP to HDS area as it seems like Kings Camp only offers transfers from HDS.

Su CLE-EWR 1:14pm-2:58pm
5:32 connection in Newark
Su EWR-CPT 8:30pm-5pm+1
4 nights in Cape Town (Stay at ?)
Fr CPT-JNB 730am-925am
2 nights in Joburg (Stay at Genesis hotel?)
Su JNB-VFA 1050am-1225pm
1 night in Vic Falls (Stay at ?)
Mo LVI-MQP 205pm-345pm
3 nights in the Kruger (Stay at King's camp?)
Th HDS-CPT 1:50pm-4:25pm
4:25 connection in Cape Town
Th CPT-EWR 8:50pm-5:45am+1
3:20 connection in Newark
Fr EWR-CLE 905am-1045am

Dan why don't you fly from LVI to HDS? The transfer from HDS to Kings Camp is like 45 Minutes.

Dan · « **Reply #1615 on:** December 27, 2019, 02:46:21 PM »

Quote from: jomaster28 on December 27, 2019, 02:33:32 PM

Dan why don't you fly from LVI to HDS? The transfer from HDS to Kings Camp is like 45 Minutes.

Quote from: Dan on December 27, 2019, 12:29:28 PM

I also can't find any way from Vic Falls to HDS without an overnight, so need to figure out how to get from MQP to HDS area as it seems like Kings Camp only offers transfers from HDS.

jomaster28 · « **Reply #1616 on:** December 27, 2019, 02:59:36 PM »

Quote from: Dan on December 27, 2019, 02:46:21 PM

https://www.aircharter.co.za/

Go big or go home...

Dan · « **Reply #1617 on:** December 27, 2019, 03:00:56 PM »

Quote from: jomaster28 on December 27, 2019, 02:59:36 PM

https://www.aircharter.co.za/

Go big or go home...

Lol, I think I'll survive if I miss 1 safari out of 6.

jomaster28 · « **Reply #1618 on:** December 27, 2019, 03:01:48 PM »

Quote from: Dan on December 27, 2019, 02:46:21 PM

I also can't find any way from Vic Falls to HDS without an overnight, so need to figure out how to get from MQP to HDS area as it seems like Kings Camp only offers transfers from HDS.

Now that i remember, this was the reason why I didn't do Victoria Falls. The way our flights worked out w shabbat it wasn't doable to do it.

jomaster28 · « **Reply #1619 on:** December 27, 2019, 03:15:51 PM »

Quote from: Dan on December 27, 2019, 03:00:56 PM

Lol, I think I'll survive if I miss 1 safari out of 6.

You should really do this on the day your driving in. If your missing the Safarfi that afternoon anyway you might as well stop here and get to the lodge a little later.

https://www.elephantwhispers.co.za/

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Name	Type	Hours	Contact	Location & Description
Avron's Place (Sea Point)	Meat	S – T: 11am – 3pm; 5pm – 10pm; F: 11am – 2:30pm	+27 (0)21 439 7610 Link	19 – 33 Regent Road - Oldest kosher meat restaurant in SA. The humbly adorned, family-friendly eatery, serves a wide variety of dishes, including beef ribs, burgers, mixed grills, boerewors, Cape lamb curry, vegetarian platters, pastas and sushi. Prices rather reasonable. On Tuesdays there's a special on its beef burger and chips (R49 instead of the usual R59). Offers takeaways and catering and packed Shabbat meals for visitors. For the Sephardim the meat is Bet Yosef. But check to make sure.
The Press (Sea Point)	Meat	S – T: noon – late; F: 11am – 3pm; Sat: 1 hour after Shabbat till late	+27 (0)21 434 7724 Website	176 Main Road - Restaurant and Bar (many craft beers on tap).
Coffee Time (Gardens)	Milk	M – T: 8am – 3:30pm; F: 8am – 3pm	+27 (0)21 461 8414	20 Breda Street - Set in an old house in a lush, garden environment. Lawn seating with views of Table Mountain. Breakfast, brunch or lunch. Menu includes scrambled egg, salmon and humus wrap, fish bobotie with homemade chutney, tuna lasagne, sandwich, salad, quiche or smoothie. Early-morning special between 8am and 11am (a combo of two eggs, grilled tomato and mushrooms goes for R25) and also serves a delicious, and incredibly popular, buffet lunch every Wednesday between 12:30pm and 2:30pm. Gluten-free and sugar-free options. Offers catering. Proceeds support the Astra Centre.
Café Riteve (Gardens)	Milk	S – T: 8:30am – 5pm; F: 8:30am – 3pm	+27 (0)21 465 1594 Website	88 Hatfield Street - Located on a piazza that’s part of the same centre as the historical Gardens Shul, the South African Jewish Museum, the Cape Town Holocaust Centre and the Jacob Gitlin Library. Large and varied menu includes three-egg omelette, sushi salad, grilled hake, falafel with dukkah wedges and humus, tuna and mushroom cannelloni, smoked salmon and cream cheese sandwich and chocolate ganache-filled croissant. Also sells range of shakes and juices as well as kosher wine and liquors. Offers catering, takeaways, no delivery. They had some CY, just ask. The earlier you go the more likely the have.
Goldies Deli and Diner (Sea Point)	Meat & Pareve	S – T: 8:30am – 8pm; F: 8:30am – 4:30pm	+27 (0)21 439 3008 Link	174 Main Road - Meat and parev deli and bakery - next door and connected to The Press. Menu include burgers, steak rolls, schwarmas, bagels, salads, fish cakes, breakfast plates and more. Specials every Wednesday and Friday (deals like a three-course meal for four for R120). Delivery is free in Sea Point. Bakery treats include carrot cake, cinnamon twists, chocolate brownies, doughnuts, cupcakes, apple crumble, croissants and teiglach. Offers Shabbat meal orders.
Café B'tayavon @ Highlands House	Milk		021 461 1100	9 Gorge Rd, Highlands Estate - Snacks and Light Meals
Jean's Kitchen @ The Kaplan Centre	Milk		021 650 3064 info@jeanskitchen.co.za	The Kaplan Centre - University of Cape Town - Tea, coffee, sandwiches, gourmet salads, falafel etc
Baskin Robbins @ Mojo Market (Sea Point)				Note: This is the only kosher B & R All ice creams, ice cream cones, milkshakes and waffles are Kosher, milchik. The following topping ONLY are kosher: Crushed Almonds, Crushed Cashews, Fudge, Mini Astros, Mint Crunch NB: Cakes are NOT KOSHER

Name	Cost	Distance from CPT	Description and Notes
Boulders Beach	R170	35 min	• "I found that there were two different entrances, boardwalk and beach. The boardwalk has a higher density of penguins but if you want a better experience, I recommend visiting the beach side- especially at low tide. Because of the tide I was able to walk past the few dozen folks on the beach, climb under and over some boulders, and encounter effectively a different private beach- with penguins!!" • For budget travelers, take the train to Simonstown and from there a cab to Boulders beach - R20.
Betty’s Bay		1.25 hours	Also features African Penguins though less crowded than Boulders beach, though further.
Chapman's Peak Drive	R45/car	45 min	• Beautiful scenery, you have the mountain on one side and the ocean on the other side, great pics, great to make a BBQ come during daylight hours. NOTE: You need Rand or an SA issued card to pay for the Chapman's Peak toll.
Cape of Good Hope/Cape Point	R360/pp	1.5 hours	• LONG but AMAZING drive • almost a full day activity
Lions Head			• Hike - not difficult • Paragliding - around $85 (prices might be outdated). Book ahead
Robben Island			Tours depart three times a day and take about 3.5 hours, consisting of a ferry trip to and from the island, and a tour of the various historical sites on the island that form part of the Robben Island Museum. These include the island graveyard, the disused lime quarry, Robert Sobukwe's house, the Bluestone quarry, the army and navy bunkers, and the maximum security prison. Nelson Mandela's cell is shown. Reviews are mixed
Table Mountain (Cable car or hike)	~R350		• Follow on Twitter for updates on if open or closed • Cableway costs ~R350 rand pp - depends if morning or afternoon • Can repel down • 895 rand pp (prices might be outdated) • repel for like 15 mins • hike back up is 25 mins • Closes 6pm • BOOK IN ADVANCE
Signal Hill			Go there for a sunset with bit more a "local" flavor. Views aren't great compared to Lion's Head and can be quite crowded at sunset.
V & A Waterfront
The Garden Route			long scenic drive

Kirstenbosch Gardens
Shark Diving	$88 +$34 for video (prices might be outdated)	2 hours	Can do in Gansbaii. Links:1, 2, 3
Sandboarding			Bring goggles!
Skydiving	$170 (prices might be outdated) Cheaper
Quad Biking (ATVs)
Hout Bay market
Kayaking at Hout Bay	Link		Amazing experience. Views may very but can often see Heaviside dolphins jumping right in front of you
Cheetah Outreach			Where you can go and pet cheetahs and other animals super cool. Website
Aquila Private Game Reserve		2 hours	Pricey but quality accommodations for overnight stays. Good for people who aren't leaving Cape Town area but want to see wildlife. Some dismiss as a "glorified zoo"
Cango Wildlife Ranch		5 hours

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Name	Type	Contact	Location & Description
Corner Cafe (Glenhazel)	Milk	+27 11 440-3160 Link	Corner of Queens square and cross road in Glenhazel. Corner Café is the best place to go (or maybe the only) for kosher gluten free muffins. I’m told they’re very good. They also have great breakfasts and pastas, but I usually stick with a toasted cheese and chips.
Dee-Jays (Sandton)	Milk	+27 11 883-2265 Link	Morningview Shopping Centre, 100 South Road, 2196 - Dee-Jays provides casual dairy food that is perfect for a breakfast out with the family. Their fishballs are really good and if you need a cake in the Sandton area, they’re the place to go.
Market Cafe (Norood Mall)	Milk		Cholov Yisroel cafe
KosherWorld, Mi Vami Kosher and Chop N Wok (Glenhazel)		+27 11 440 1402 Website	1 Long Avenue, Johannesburg, 2192
Gelatisimo (Glenhazel)			Across the road from Kosher World, authentic Italian gelato. Chalav Yisroel. Absolutely fantastic.
Michelos (Glenhazel)	Milk	+27 11 885-1500 Link	17 Northfield Ave, Johannesburg, 2192 - Michelos is the second best pizza restaurant. They are very centrally located (in the Jewish area of Glenhazel) and their food is nice. Never go there the night after Pesach because you’ll wait hours but most other times are good, plus they serve chalav yisrael.
Nandos Kosher (Savoy)	Meat	+27 11 885-1496 Website	553 Louis Botha Ave, Savoy, Johannesburg, 2090, South Africa - Nandos is a large chain of Portuguese chicken restaurants, but there is only one kosher Nandos in South Africa, so be aware that you can’t step into any of them! They serve top notch chicken but be sure to also try their beef burger (and order extra sauce).
Next Door "Non-CY" (Norwood)	Milk	+27 11 728-2577 Link	80 Grant Ave, Johannesburg, 2192 - Next Door is rated as a top restaurant in Johannesburg, kosher and not, so you know it must be pretty good. It is usually full so booking is highly recommended. While their sushi may not be top class, their pizzas certainly are and, if you’re around in Summer, definitely try their fish braai (barbeque in South African).
Pie Works (Sandringham)		+27 11 485 2447 Website	74 George Ave, Johannesburg, 2192 - Their pies (clearly) are the best kosher pies in the country and are perfect if you want to buy some to take home and reheat. Their burgers are delicious and the have a milk side with pizza that is really good. They’re situated on what is known as the Kosher Strip, so any Jew will be able to direct you.
RTG "Ready to Go" (Norwood)			A fast food place next door to ... Next Door. While they do offer steak and a Chinese menu, the focus is their extensive burger and hot dog menu.
The Deli Store (Sandton)		011-656-3142 / 4915 info@thedelistore.co.za, http://thedelistore.co.za/menus/main-menu/	Shop 52, (opposite Woolworths) Morning Glen Shopping Mall Cnr Bowling & Kelvin Road Gallo Manor - Reviewed in CBS's TR, as having excellent food for very low prices. According to Google is "Permanently Closed".
So Sushi (Glenhazel)
Jozi Blue (Glenhazel)	Milk		They have some items Cholov Yisroel, which they will serve on disposables on request

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