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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2016, 02:21:08 PM »
No money for bituch leumi (pro and con) no health care

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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2016, 03:36:39 PM »
No money for bituch leumi (pro and con) no health care

what if we live in the US any cons?

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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2016, 03:38:19 PM »
what if we live in the US any cons?
Only cons I am aware of are the fact that Israeli citizens don't need to pay for a visa to the Russian federation, or IINM to Brazil, unlike US citizens who need to get visas which are a hassle and involve a fee (over $100 IINM) for those countries.

Also renouncing an Israeli citizenship is a royal PITA, especially if one has children. It is always better to do when single or family is small.
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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2016, 04:12:44 PM »
Only cons I am aware of are the fact that Israeli citizens don't need to pay for a visa to the Russian federation, or IINM to Brazil, unlike US citizens who need to get visas which are a hassle and involve a fee (over $100 IINM) for those countries.

Also renouncing an Israeli citizenship is a royal PITA, especially if one has children. It is always better to do when single or family is small.

why is that?

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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2016, 04:13:54 PM »
Only cons I am aware of are the fact that Israeli citizens don't need to pay for a visa to the Russian federation, or IINM to Brazil, unlike US citizens who need to get visas which are a hassle and involve a fee (over $100 IINM) for those countries.

Also renouncing an Israeli citizenship is a royal PITA, especially if one has children. It is always better to do when single or family is small.

what if one has property in israel does renouncing citizenship affect  it anyway?

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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #25 on: October 31, 2016, 04:23:31 PM »
why is that?
Because before they will allow you to renounce, they want you to update your family status, and all children will have to be registered as Israeli citizens, and then you can request to renounce for yourself and children under 18.
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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #26 on: October 31, 2016, 04:24:49 PM »
what if one has property in israel does renouncing citizenship affect  it anyway?
IDK. I think that as long as one doesn't live there it makes no difference if a citizen or not.

Obviously don't forget that the US requires it's citizens to report all assets and income outside of the US.
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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #27 on: October 31, 2016, 04:27:17 PM »


it seems pro's are:

1.not dealing with passports which might be a big pro if large family

 2. no VAT tax

3. no army service

cons:

1.??

Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
JTZ

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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #28 on: October 31, 2016, 04:29:06 PM »
where is it eaisier to renounce? In NY or Israel.

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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #29 on: October 31, 2016, 04:29:10 PM »
IIRC, it could make a difference when getting a mortgage in Israel.

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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #30 on: October 31, 2016, 04:51:33 PM »
Because before they will allow you to renounce, they want you to update your family status, and all children will have to be registered as Israeli citizens, and then you can request to renounce for yourself and children under 18.

they wont let you renounce for parents and only those children that have passports already?

in ny both parents have to go with minor children to the consular to do this?

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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #31 on: October 31, 2016, 04:53:20 PM »
also keep in mind they charge like 85-95 dollars to renounce but I am not sure if that is per child/person or family?

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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2016, 06:05:48 PM »
Is there a limit to how much time one can spend in Israel if you revoke citizenship?

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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #33 on: October 31, 2016, 07:22:38 PM »
http://mfa.gov.il/MFA/ConsularServices/Pages/Renouncing_Israeli_citizenship.aspx

IIRC you can only do it outside Israel. Children under 18 can be included in parent application and there is no additional fee (however if they are not yet registered as Israeli citizens, that will be required first).
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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #34 on: November 01, 2016, 04:14:12 AM »
Contact israeli shortcut very helpful on these topics. israelishortcut.org

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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #35 on: November 01, 2016, 11:23:29 AM »
Is there a limit to how much time one can spend in Israel if you revoke citizenship?
You just become like any other non-citizen (except that you can't qualify for aliya benefits if you decide to settle there).
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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #36 on: November 01, 2016, 12:54:54 PM »
http://mfa.gov.il/MFA/ConsularServices/Pages/Renouncing_Israeli_citizenship.aspx

IIRC you can only do it outside Israel. Children under 18 can be included in parent application and there is no additional fee (however if they are not yet registered as Israeli citizens, that will be required first).

how will they know about other children if other children have no passports and are not in the system

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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2016, 01:23:59 PM »
how will they know about other children if other children have no passports and are not in the system
Did they ever travel to Israel?

Are you going to hide the truth?

I don't know what's the right way to go about it, but you do have to realize that you are dealing with a "big brother" type of country.
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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #38 on: November 01, 2016, 03:30:53 PM »
Did they ever travel to Israel?

Are you going to hide the truth?

I don't know what's the right way to go about it, but you do have to realize that you are dealing with a "big brother" type of country.

have you done this by the way? do they ask you for all family members or do you just submit the names you want to renounce?

in my experience if minor child does not have israeli passport they let the minor child enter with US passport and did not make an issue about them getting israeli passport

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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #39 on: November 01, 2016, 03:47:57 PM »
in my experience if minor child does not have israeli passport they let the minor child enter with US passport and did not make an issue about them getting israeli passport
I've heard of various experiences, though most of the negative ones probably date back to the 90s or maybe early 00s.

Bottom line, don't think they are stupid and don't know. If the minor ever entered the country along with Israeli parent, they have that on record.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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