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To get an Israeli passport or not?
« on: April 03, 2014, 06:17:22 PM »
A family member was born in Israel, left when he was 3 months old and just returned now. He is 26 yo, married with a child and lives in the USA. He has only a USA pasport and place of birth is Israel.
When he arrived in TLV, he was detained and told he must apply for an israeli passport before he leaves the country.
What are his options? Will they detain him if he doesnt get a passport? Who can he speak to for advise? 

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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2014, 06:56:29 PM »
IME he should either get one or give up his citenzenship.
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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2014, 07:02:25 PM »
If he gets an israeli pasport then he will have army issues etc. Is giving up citizenship an option? How is it done? What are the disadvantages?

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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2014, 07:15:30 PM »
Not sure exactly how it's done.  I think it's a fairly simple process though. I've never done it myself. Besides for the obvious of not having an Israeli passport there are no huge disadvantages I don't believe. And it shouldn't affect if he wants to make Aliyah one day or anything.  If anything most people gain by giving it up. No more paying taxes that Israelis have to pay etc. That being said I wouldn't give up mine.
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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2014, 07:58:18 PM »
you need to first get a passport in order to give up your citizenship.  also make sure they don't find out your married with kids.  they will make the kids get passport.

if he runs in to impossible issues you can write to yuli edelstien he can help.
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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2014, 08:11:01 PM »
you need to first get a passport in order to give up your citizenship.
+1
and they can deny it... my brother was told to try back in 15 years when he tried to renounce

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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2014, 08:24:12 PM »
+1
and they can deny it... my brother was told to try back in 15 years when he tried to renounce

Seriously? And he grew up and lived in the US? Never heard of that.
Guess I take back my "fairly easy" comment.

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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2014, 07:31:21 AM »
In addition, if you have an Israeli PP & Teudat Zehut, they'll charge you retroactively for bituach leumi even though you've never used their health coverage... At least that's what it was like 7 years ago. but I would look into it...

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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2014, 08:33:55 AM »
The computer system at Ben Gurion can find everyone. My Father in law left the country in 1958 and he traveled 20 times if not more since he left  Eretz Yisroel and 2 years ago they stopped him and told him get a passport or renounce your citizenship.

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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2014, 08:35:07 AM »
My Israeli revocation took place a couple of weeks before my son was born. (In the us) Is he technically Israeli? Should I bother getting him a tz and then revoking?

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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2014, 10:33:52 AM »

Seriously? And he grew up and lived in the US? Never heard of that.
Guess I take back my "fairly easy" comment.
Yep, my parent moved to the States when he was about 1.
He flew in and out a lot on Swiss passport (which doesn't say where you're born) but eventually those Israeli computers caught up to him...

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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2014, 11:12:25 AM »
My son was born in E"Y and left when he was 3 months old. My wife was also born in Israel. When I was in Miami (where I'm from) after coming back, I sent my mother with my wife and baby to Israeli Consulate to renounce citizenship. Reason for sending my mother was I figured the less dati looking the better and figured my wife would be up for a fight and might need backup (she was 22 at the time). I was right. They tried heavy pressure and guilt to dissuade them from renouncing but at the end they we stood our ground. They filled the paperwork, paid the fee, given receipt and was told that would receive official confirmation within a year. Of course we never received that. I went to E"Y this past summer with my son 14 and they didn't say anything which is no proof either way. I had the receipt handy just in case but they never asked.

From what I remember hearing 15 years ago, renouncing in places like Miami was smoother then NY. It can be done in E"Y as well. but be prepared to spend the day there and take a beating.

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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2014, 11:41:20 AM »
Because he is 26 years old, he will not have issues with the army. As long as he didn't live in Israel after age 14 for more than a year. While I don't know about revoking citizenship, I can tell you that Israelis who live abroad with dual citizenship have two options. They can get a passport, or a Teudat Maavar that only works in Ben Gurion. I think it is better to get an Israeli passport because I think it is the cheaper option. Also, it helps get you into countries that charge for visas for US citizens. a passport is for 10 years whereas a the Teudat Maavar is for five.


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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2014, 09:02:36 PM »
But will his kids have problems in 15 years

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Re: To get an Israeli passport or not?
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2014, 12:41:49 AM »
I was born in EY and my father wisely made sure right away that I my citizenship was revoked. I have been asked at passport control if I was born in Israel and I just said I made a bittul on the citizenship and they let me right through.