Scam Alert Sungames

[Ergel]

It includes what brand of toothpaste to use

Which one?

[Menachem613]

Which one?

Adwe.

[shimino1]

I just asked my rabbi about a buissness venture and wheter Ill make more money doing A or B.
He helped me work out the pros and cons of each but also said: "I cant tell you whether A or B would make more money, you would need a ‎נביא‎ for that"
So yes, ‎הנוטל עצה מן החכמים לא נכשל‎ but its just an eitza, no mekubal or another can PROMISE a deal will work out.
And one last quostion: How come this magic mekubel dosent win the lotory?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

The whole point of a pyramid is for those at the top to rob the suckers on the bottom.

The problem with these scams is they give pyramids a bad name. Pyramids are all about salesmanship. If you do your part of the selling you get your money. 

[ybeeds]

I just asked my rabbi about a buissness venture and wheter Ill make more money doing A or B.
He helped me work out the pros and cons of each but also said: "I cant tell you whether A or B would make more money, you would need a ‎נביא‎ for that"
So yes, ‎הנוטל עצה מן החכמים לא נכשל‎ but its just an eitza, no mekubal or another can PROMISE a deal will work out.
And one last quostion: How come this magic mekubel dosent win the lotory?

Maybe that's how some of these Mekuballim are so rich...

Either way, my great uncle asked a Rebbe - shortly after the mega-millions started - why he can't just give him the lottery numbers, his response was "I don't need to give you the numbers, Hashem will make the numbers come out to the ones you choose."
He bought a lottery ticket and won!

[TimT]

Maybe that's how some of these Mekuballim are so rich...

Either way, my great uncle asked a Rebbe - shortly after the mega-millions started - why he can't just give him the lottery numbers, his response was "I don't need to give you the numbers, Hashem will make the numbers come out to the ones you choose."
He bought a lottery ticket and won!

Is that rebbe still alive by any chance ?

[ybeeds]

Is that rebbe still alive by any chance ?

Nope. It's been quite a few years... but Hashem is! 

[AnonymousUser]

Maybe that's how some of these Mekuballim are so rich...

Either way, my great uncle asked a Rebbe - shortly after the mega-millions started - why he can't just give him the lottery numbers, his response was "I don't need to give you the numbers, Hashem will make the numbers come out to the ones you choose."
He bought a lottery ticket and won!

How much?

[AbeBerkowitz]

  This Sungame scam is horrible. The leaders keep encouraging others to give more and put in more money. It would be helpful if they would just go to the authorities at this point or at least just walk away. Encouraging people to give more at this time is horrible.
   None of the leaders can even give a straight answer at this point from where the money, prize money and gift money  (they have many different names for their profits )will come from. The deal cannot be explained at all at this time. They made everyone believe that this tablet was the first on the market , there company will go public, be bought by google and facebook and they will all make millions. Nothing has happened. However, they keep trying to raise more money and hurt people more.
  I know many families have been broken because if this ...... So many frum families and yeshivas and mosdos lost lots money with this. The top people should look in the mirror and realize what they have done. Empty promises. Empty guarantees. I know that some top leaders took  finders fee money , 10%, off the top. You should all be ashemed. The leaders should stop encouraging and pushing this deal- it will end up bad- i hope that no one ends up in jail. I do not want to see another Rebbi or Rov on the front page of the papers.

[MarkS]

  This Sungame scam is horrible. The leaders keep encouraging others to give more and put in more money. It would be helpful if they would just go to the authorities at this point or at least just walk away. Encouraging people to give more at this time is horrible.
   None of the leaders can even give a straight answer at this point from where the money, prize money and gift money  (they have many different names for their profits )will come from. The deal cannot be explained at all at this time. They made everyone believe that this tablet was the first on the market , there company will go public, be bought by google and facebook and they will all make millions. Nothing has happened. However, they keep trying to raise more money and hurt people more.
  I know many families have been broken because if this ...... So many frum families and yeshivas and mosdos lost lots money with this. The top people should look in the mirror and realize what they have done. Empty promises. Empty guarantees. I know that some top leaders took  finders fee money , 10%, off the top. You should all be ashemed. The leaders should stop encouraging and pushing this deal- it will end up bad- i hope that no one ends up in jail. I do not want to see another Rebbi or Rov on the front page of the papers.

And with all that people are afraid to come forward anonymously on here and name and shame the perps so that they can never do this again?  People who have been harmed need to speak up and warn others not to ever fall for something like this again....

[Dan]

And with all that people are afraid to come forward anonymously on here and name and shame the perps so that they can never do this again?  People who have been harmed need to speak up and warn others not to ever fall for something like this again....

They've been told if they come forward they will be held responsible for the deal falling through

[ybeeds]

They've been told if they come forward they will be held responsible for the deal falling through

Ahah! So they know that it will fall through, but are looking to point a finger... #MadoffAlert

[AbeBerkowitz]

 I hear that a few people are very close to giving names.... i heard one of them is a "Rov" of a shteeble and involved in big organization in monsey.
   I hope people speak up.
 I have heard that they are still trying to raise more money and the top leaders are taking money off the top. They dont stop.
 The only way to stop this is to name names and not be afraid.
     The chutzpah they have to raise more money at this time is mind blowing.
 

[asd]

why are people scared to name names?

[Saver2000]

why are people scared to name names?

They've been told if they come forward they will be held responsible for the deal falling through

[AbeBerkowitz]

 There are a few Rabbonim involved and people are afraid to get involved. One of them abuses his powers as a leader of an organization and people are afraid to start with him. He owes hundreds of thousands of dollars to people and screwed many people .His Organization covers up for him  because he has been involved for a while and knows how to play the game. Its a shame.  There are a few Rebbeim involved as well.
    The issue is , they keep people from going after them , because they convince everyone that they will have to live with this their whole life if deal falls apart. They make everyone feel guilty and made to believe that they will burn in hell if they pull out or mention anything.
  They keep trying to raise more money. One of these Rabbonim have made nice money already from taking money off the top when he receives it. He gets 10% of money raised so he does not care if this deal goes or does not go- he made his money and keeps raising more. Scam artist!

[EMCC]

There are a few Rabbonim involved and people are afraid to get involved. One of them abuses his powers as a leader of an organization and people are afraid to start with him. He owes hundreds of thousands of dollars to people and screwed many people .His Organization covers up for him  because he has been involved for a while and knows how to play the game. Its a shame.  There are a few Rebbeim involved as well.
    The issue is , they keep people from going after them , because they convince everyone that they will have to live with this their whole life if deal falls apart. They make everyone feel guilty and made to believe that they will burn in hell if they pull out or mention anything.
  They keep trying to raise more money. One of these Rabbonim have made nice money already from taking money off the top when he receives it. He gets 10% of money raised so he does not care if this deal goes or does not go- he made his money and keeps raising more. Scam artist!

Can we please stop calling these people "Rabbonim"?

[Dan]

So did everyone tell the auditor that they did this without any intention of making a profit as they were instructed to do?

Do they think the auditor has a pea for a brain?

The real question is who will be the first to turn this over to the SEC/FBI?
Then we can start a thread to raise money for the families. Though at least others won't be suckered and ruin their lives as well.

For shame.

[AbeBerkowitz]

  Its amazing the stuff they put in the emails..... they think all the investors are stupid. That being said, this has been going on so long that i believe these investors have to be stupid.
    They are now in Panama waiting for the approvals of the syndicates who will then be flying to DC to got the proper approval of the signators. Money will be in bank by the end of today or yesterday or last month...just keep waiting. We are almost there!!
   You know what , keep giving more!! Stupid people.
 If a ROV promised you returns and keeps pushing for more and use mekubalim as guarantees ..... He is not a real ROV and has done this before. He is just lining his own pockets. The leaders want you in for themselves and their own personal gain- they could not care less about you!
   

[Ergel]

So did everyone tell the auditor that they did this without any intention of making a profit as they were instructed to do?

Do they think the auditor has a pea for a brain?

The real question is who will be the first to turn this over to the SEC/FBI?
Then we can start a thread to raise money for the families. Though at least others won't be suckered and ruin their lives as well.

For shame.

+1000000
Although, it sounds like it's gonna be tough to raise enough money. People went in big (I know a grade school rebbe who is in almost 6 figures. nebach)