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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #60 on: April 10, 2014, 09:16:23 PM »
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Tell any sound minded board member that their institution is involved in a MLM scam ... Thats how
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the yeshivas that are involved are not no name, here today gone tomorrow lakewood popups.
They are larger established institutions run by administrators and office managers that have way more experience than anyone here with these things.they have been there done that with these things countless times.
Theres nothing you can effectively do about it.
Lol. 

First of all,  there are plenty of experienced business people on this forum.  (Yes,  I know them personally.  I'm not just making stuff up)

Second of all,  as stated earlier,  if the board  members would know whats going on,  they would put a stop to it immediately.

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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #61 on: April 10, 2014, 09:22:30 PM »

Second of all,  as stated earlier,  if the board  members would know whats going on,  they would put a stop to it immediately.

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the problem is that they don't know what's going on and neither does anyone here. As of now its strictly speculation based on if its to good to be true...

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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #62 on: April 10, 2014, 09:24:27 PM »
the problem is that they don't know what's going on and neither does anyone here. As of now its strictly speculation based on if its to good to be true...
sorry to say but your full of crap.

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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #63 on: April 10, 2014, 09:25:28 PM »
I would hate to repetitive but, "if it sounds to good be true, it probably is"....
“To avoid criticism say nothing, do nothing, be nothing.”


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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #64 on: April 10, 2014, 09:26:02 PM »
the problem is that they don't know what's going on and neither does anyone here. As of now its strictly speculation based on if its to good to be true...
The company is engaging in obvious fraud to pump it's stock by showing false sales. That is illegal. So forget about if the tablet buyers will get their rebates, they're assisting fraud.

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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #65 on: April 10, 2014, 09:26:54 PM »
sorry to say but your full of crap.
now that's a harsh statement.
Care u explain?

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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #66 on: April 10, 2014, 09:27:42 PM »
the problem is that they don't know what's going on and neither does anyone here. As of now its strictly speculation based on if its to good to be true...
Huh?

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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #67 on: April 10, 2014, 09:28:56 PM »
The company is engaging in obvious fraud to pump it's stock by showing false sales. That is illegal. So forget about if the tablet buyers will get their rebates, they're assisting fraud.
that much I agree with

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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #68 on: April 10, 2014, 09:29:07 PM »
now that's a harsh statement.
Care u explain?
Seriously? if you cant tell that this is a clear scam.........

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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #69 on: April 10, 2014, 09:32:21 PM »
Seriously? if you cant tell that this is a clear scam.........
I agree its a scam. I know quite a lot about it as I had a lengthy conversation with the sleazy individual running it.
What I'm saying is that the yeshivas don't care if its a scam as long as they get their money. Which is possible if its an MLM or similiar as they believe they can't get messed over if paying by cc

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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #70 on: April 10, 2014, 09:33:12 PM »
As someone involved in a Yeshiva I was approached to "invest" in this "opportunity". I immediately contacted one of the "satisfied mosdos"  and was told (obviously) stay away.
This is the response I got from the "broker":
Thank you for your concern,

I know who I'm dealing with and I know that there is no intention of foul play. In either case the only way I would let anyone do it is if they pay by CC to enable the fraud protection that the CC offers - in case its necessary.

Besides, we see how yeshivos are actually getting their money back. I dont see how you can lose.

Most of all, I know that because the originator of the deal is someone that is not known to yeshivos, there isnt a single person who put in money without doing their due diligents. We are talking about sharp responsible people who wouldn't risk $10 let alone thousands of dollars without making sure they are protected. I am just taking the info for people so we can get the deal (it has to be ONE group). As nice of guy that I am, I know that people are not throwing vasts money my way because I am nice to people.

I believe that everyone who put in money did it for the same reason I did it, the CC protection. I dont think I came across a safer investment in my life. Did you?

Please, dont trust me. Do your own HW.

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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #71 on: April 10, 2014, 09:35:09 PM »
I did my homework: this stinks like rotten fish

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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #72 on: April 10, 2014, 09:38:10 PM »
now that's a harsh statement.
Care u explain?
It's actually a nice statement. People that promote fraud and MLM are thieves plain and simple. And until we eradicate this sickness from Jewish communities,  everyone like you who aids and abet is in the same boat.

I hope you are at least on the stealing end, that will explain your clouded judgment.

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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #73 on: April 10, 2014, 09:39:16 PM »
I would like to speak to one of the board members of a yeshiva that's doing this so I can spare myself the research. 

If someone can post a name,  it'll be great. 
Thanx. 


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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #74 on: April 10, 2014, 09:46:16 PM »
It's actually a nice statement. People that promote fraud and MLM are thieves plain and simple. And until we eradicate this sickness from Jewish communities,  everyone like you who aids and abet is in the same boat.

I hope you are at least on the stealing end, that will explain your clouded judgment.


I agree its a scam. I know quite a lot about it as I had a lengthy conversation with the sleazy individual running it.
What I'm saying is that the yeshivas don't care if its a scam as long as they get their money. Which is possible if its an MLM or similiar as they believe they can't get messed over if paying by cc
I am not promoting anything, simply explaining the point of view of the yeshivas.
I am very much against

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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #75 on: April 10, 2014, 09:48:21 PM »
I am not promoting anything, simply explaining the point of view of the yeshivas.
I am very much against
BS.

You were busy how well grounded institutions and individuals are doing it. Let's hear who?

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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #76 on: April 10, 2014, 09:50:10 PM »
BS.

You were busy how well grounded institutions and individuals are doing it. Let's hear who?
ill send u a pm shortly

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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #77 on: April 10, 2014, 10:09:46 PM »

I agree its a scam. I know quite a lot about it as I had a lengthy conversation with the sleazy individual running it.
What I'm saying is that the yeshivas don't care if its a scam as long as they get their money. Which is possible if its an MLM or similiar as they believe they can't get messed over if paying by cc

This is very disheartening. Even if the yeshivos make some money on this (which is extremely unlikely) they're involved in a patently illegal and fraudulent activity - either on pumping stock, or more likely massive CC fraud.
Best case scenario - a lot of yidden lose money because of them.
More likely - we'll be seeing news about an FBI raid on a yeshiva.

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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #78 on: April 10, 2014, 11:13:26 PM »
+1
The whole "make money for your shul" business, while it may not be an actual scam, is along the same lines and it doesn't strike me as proper either.... Take an unsuspecting guys personal info and mess around with it all in the name of Tzedakah?!
-10000. whats the connection two totally different beasts (other than the fact that the rosh hayishiva probably davens in a shul)

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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #79 on: April 10, 2014, 11:14:54 PM »
The famous thief behind this scam (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=3910.0) should be kicked out of our community and the RY involved should be named and shamed.
sadly it might make our community a little lot thinner
BS.

You were busy how well grounded institutions and individuals are doing it. Let's hear who?
i am with you on this one
@emkay nothing personal  i would rather think you are a liar than a fool. reading your comments, those are the two options
« Last Edit: April 10, 2014, 11:23:49 PM by dans fan »