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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #765 on: October 02, 2014, 12:24:42 PM »
Let him post here and share his adventure and what drew him in.
Should be a lesson to others.
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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #766 on: October 02, 2014, 12:30:31 PM »
Madoff is getting a roommate any time soon????  i am not an investor but these things make me sick :(

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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #767 on: October 02, 2014, 01:27:27 PM »
 Simple what drew him in ....false promises. He did not know much about the deal but was going on information from other people. He was told by a known Rov that  he would regret it if he past on this deal. This Rov told him that he  is putting a group together to get in. He was told that Mekubalim have promised the success of this deal. The Rov told him that he plans on building a shul with this money.... He felt that how can he go wrong.
    Now he knows better.
 These people who encouraged and made false promises based on nothing should be ashamed of themselves. This Rov owes so much money to people around monsey. Many people in Monsey have been screwed by this guy- But no one will say anything because of the position he carries.

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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #768 on: October 02, 2014, 01:52:02 PM »
I LOVE THIS THREAD!!
Make sure the plane with the money isent malysian air..... hey I think I just provided the basis for the next email. :-)
How much money did your cousin put in? Good entertinment isent cheap so its probally worth it.

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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #769 on: October 02, 2014, 02:02:15 PM »

Simple what drew him in ....false promises. He did not know much about the deal but was going on information from other people. He was told by a known Rov that  he would regret it if he past on this deal. This Rov told him that he  is putting a group together to get in. He was told that Mekubalim have promised the success of this deal. The Rov told him that he plans on building a shul with this money.... He felt that how can he go wrong.
    Now he knows better.
 These people who encouraged and made false promises based on nothing should be ashamed of themselves. This Rov owes so much money to people around monsey. Many people in Monsey have been screwed by this guy- But no one will say anything because of the position he carries.

Did the Rav himself make money?

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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #770 on: October 02, 2014, 03:44:06 PM »
 I believe that he put together the money from a group of people  and is getting a big  fee from the profits. He was in a win-win. Thats why he is telling them all they better keep their money in. If they take it out , he loses. He is risking and gambling with other peoples money. He makes promises that they will make millions. He tells everyone he speaks to Mekubalim and they all guaranteed this.
   Its pathetic. 

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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #771 on: October 02, 2014, 04:04:22 PM »
I believe that he put together the money from a group of people  and is getting a big  fee from the profits. He was in a win-win. Thats why he is telling them all they better keep their money in. If they take it out , he loses. He is risking and gambling with other peoples money. He makes promises that they will make millions. He tells everyone he speaks to Mekubalim and they all guaranteed this.
   Its pathetic.
He probably did not get a cut even If he was promised one

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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #772 on: October 02, 2014, 04:11:51 PM »
 There is no cut as no one made money. A cut of nothing is nothing.
   He is still dreaming this deal will take off and will get the big payouts then. That is why he is telling all his group that they better not chargeback and must keep the money in. He said that he got Brachas recently that this deal will be successful. He is only thinking about himself. As they like to say, " we are almost there!"

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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #773 on: October 02, 2014, 04:37:27 PM »
The whole point of a pyramid is for those at the top to rob the suckers on the bottom.
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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #774 on: October 02, 2014, 07:10:45 PM »
Maybe I'm a different kind of person/Jew but when did Judaism become Voodoo that Brachos from Mekubalim/Rebbeim guarantee the success of a business deal. I'm not just referring to this scam but even to a legitimate business venture. Sure, I think a Bracha can help, though we never really know. But to imply any kind of guarantee or even to take the bracha into account at all when making a business decision is absurd.

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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #775 on: October 02, 2014, 07:15:03 PM »
Maybe I'm a different kind of person/Jew but when did Judaism become Voodoo that Brachos from Mekubalim/Rebbeim guarantee the success of a business deal. I'm not just referring to this scam but even to a legitimate business venture. Sure, I think a Bracha can help, though we never really know. But to imply any kind of guarantee or even to take the bracha into account at all when making a business decision is absurd.
I wouldn't call it voodoo. I just don't think we have those kind of Rebbes in the world today where I would follow blindly on such advice.
That being said, people confuse a bracha as a guarantee and it's not. 
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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #776 on: October 02, 2014, 07:29:33 PM »
Maybe I'm a different kind of person/Jew but when did Judaism become Voodoo that Brachos from Mekubalim/Rebbeim guarantee the success of a business deal. I'm not just referring to this scam but even to a legitimate business venture. Sure, I think a Bracha can help, though we never really know. But to imply any kind of guarantee or even to take the bracha into account at all when making a business decision is absurd.
Crazy concept, I believe Its called emunas chachomim and it had nothing to do with voodoo.
The issue is emunas wrong chachomim

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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #777 on: October 02, 2014, 07:30:51 PM »
Crazy concept, I believe Its called emunas chachomim and it had nothing to do with voodoo.
Emunas chachomim includes what stock to invest in? Source?
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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #778 on: October 02, 2014, 07:34:24 PM »
Emunas chachomim includes what stock to invest in? Source?
It includes what brand of toothpaste to use

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Re: Scam Alert Sungames
« Reply #779 on: October 02, 2014, 07:51:57 PM »
Emunas chachomim includes what stock to invest in? Source?

It includes what brand of toothpaste to use
Sounds like ברשות הרב vs בסיעת הרב