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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting pictures thread
« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2014, 02:02:58 AM »
I spoke to a rebbi that asked that to his 8th grade class and only one kid said maybe the rest said no. :'( I'm talking about a decent school in Lakewood. Sad day.
well I hold that since most jews don't know the answer to why is it special to be Jewish and what does being the chosen nation actually mean there is no reason in the world why adults never mind kids would ever want to convert.

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting pictures thread
« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2014, 02:20:09 AM »

well I hold that since most jews don't know the answer to why is it special to be Jewish and what does being the chosen nation actually mean there is no reason in the world why adults never mind kids would ever want to convert.
Its a scary thought if that's what Judaism of the next generation has come to.

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting pictures thread
« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2014, 07:49:05 AM »
Why do you believe in God.
Why are you Jewish.

Q&A. Ask that in any 8th or even 12th grade class anywhere in the world, or even in a kollel in Lakewood. Let me know what the A's are
First of all, the question should be: Do you believe in GD.? The answer will be a resounding YES, even if you don't count peer pressure.
The "why" is more of an academic exercise, not the very essence of Emuna. This is the fundamental difference!

The point is that if c"v these fundamental tenants of faith are weak, a quick q&a course won't really help. Emuna has to run much deeper then that.

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting pictures thread
« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2014, 07:53:04 AM »
First of all, the question should be: Do you believe in GD.? The answer will be a resounding YES, even if you don't count peer pressure.
The "why" is more of an academic exercise, not the very essence of Emuna. This is the fundamental difference!

The point is that if c"v these fundamental tenants of faith are weak, a quick q&a course won't really help. Emuna has to run much deeper then that.
+1
If you asked your average Yankel in the Shtettle WHY he believes in G-D he'd have no clue, yet he believed...
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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting pictures thread
« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2014, 07:53:11 AM »
believe it or not as a teenager what brought me back on and to where I am right now is the q.s that ppl asked me when I traveled the world and me having to think about it and answer or hit me every time.
And BTW a question that I was asked by a rabbi once and really got me going was what would happen if you would find out one day you really aren't Jewish would you convert?
Wonderful, but this just proves that the deep connection to yiddishkeit that you absorbed as a child was awakened by this question.
This is not about a new way of teaching emuna.

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Re: Re: The funny/strange/interesting pictures thread
« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2014, 08:06:01 AM »
Why do you believe in God.
Why are you Jewish.

Q&A. Ask that in any 8th or even 12th grade class anywhere in the world, or even in a kollel in Lakewood. Let me know what the A's are
The answer is they are all תינוקות שנשבו  ;)

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Re: Ani Maamin Foundation
« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2014, 08:41:36 AM »
First of all, the question should be: Do you believe in GD.? The answer will be a resounding YES, even if you don't count peer pressure.
The "why" is more of an academic exercise, not the very essence of Emuna. This is the fundamental difference!

The point is that if c"v these fundamental tenants of faith are weak, a quick q&a course won't really help. Emuna has to run much deeper then that.
Fine, maybe the first question isn't that good, but the 2nd one is very telling.
And giving them the answer does far more than cure the symptom. If the answer is taught and not just parroted, then the kid will have proper emuna.

Saying things like "that's not going to stop kids from going to parties" is looking to cure the symptoms and not the disease.

And one thing is certain, if our kids aren't getting any form of emuna (which is quite apparent) then why come out against the tiny morsel they might just end up getting?
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Re: Ani Maamin Foundation
« Reply #37 on: April 08, 2014, 09:35:15 AM »
Fine, maybe the first question isn't that good, but the 2nd one is very telling.
And giving them the answer does far more than cure the symptom. If the answer is taught and not just parroted, then the kid will have proper emuna.

Saying things like "that's not going to stop kids from going to parties" is looking to cure the symptoms and not the disease.

And one thing is certain, if our kids aren't getting any form of emuna (which is quite apparent) then why come out against the tiny morsel they might just end up getting?
+1. That's why I was so surprised by the sign. I though we were done sticking our heads in the sand and hoping problems would just disappear.

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Re: Ani Maamin Foundation
« Reply #38 on: April 08, 2014, 09:51:32 AM »
I thought we were done sticking our heads in the sand and hoping problems would just disappear.
Really???,

you really thought that?,
fact is some things will never change

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Re: Ani Maamin Foundation
« Reply #39 on: April 08, 2014, 09:54:34 AM »
Really???,

you really thought that?,
fact is some things will never change
Okay, I hoped. Guess this sign just dashed my hopes.

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Re: Ani Maamin Foundation
« Reply #40 on: April 08, 2014, 09:56:39 AM »
I was with a group of around 10 friends once for a Shabbos this guys r the real Israeli yeshivish chariedim and a mutual friend that went all the way off and became a athiest came over and these guys were all trying their luck in getting him THE answer to why r we Jewish and after going deep into it they came to one conclusion the reason is bcs we have to take our chances bcs if there is a god and there is gehenom then we are gonna burn when we get up there

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Re: Ani Maamin Foundation
« Reply #41 on: April 08, 2014, 09:57:59 AM »
I was with a group of around 10 friends once for a Shabbos this guys r the real Israeli yeshivish chariedim and a mutual friend that went all the way off and became a athiest came over and these guys were all trying their luck in getting him THE answer to why r we Jewish and after going deep into it they came to one conclusion the reason is bcs we have to take our chances bcs if there is a god and there is gehenom then we are gonna burn when we get up there
Pascal's wager...
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Re: Ani Maamin Foundation
« Reply #42 on: April 08, 2014, 10:00:01 AM »

Pascal's wager...

That doesn't explain choosing Judaism.

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Re: Ani Maamin Foundation
« Reply #43 on: April 08, 2014, 10:01:22 AM »
That doesn't explain choosing Judaism.
I wasn't saying that's whi I follow Judaism, I was just putting a name to the logic the dudi's friends came up with...
Curiosity made the cat smarter.

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Re: Ani Maamin Foundation
« Reply #44 on: April 08, 2014, 10:04:27 AM »
I think that guys here are missing the point. There always have been two very fundamental approaches to Emuna: "Chakira" and "Mesora." The definition of, and appropriateness of, both have been debated extensively by the Geonim, Reshonim and Achronim.

Over the generations, the Mahalach of Mesora has been accepted; mainly due to the risks of Chakira. This is not the place to get involved in the Chakira vs Mesora debate....
 
The bottom line is, that even the Mesora does not mean "Blind Faith". The AMMF was originally accepted to add a little understanding to the fundamental Emuna transmitted through Mesora. This was deemed acceptable by the maskimim. The AMMF have since evolved to embrace the mahalach of Chakira entirely, to the exclusion and dismissal of the accepted method of transmitting Emuna. This is a terrible danger, because already in the time of the reshonim relying on intellectual arguments was dismissed as risky, K'V for our weak generation.